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    A call to end some melodrama..

    Ok.. I have been getting a rather large amount of emails and private messages from members regarding recent forum activity. To be honest I believe we're getting caught up in a bit of melodrama here. I have given this some examination and I don't see any major problems on the site that would be considered out of the ordinary, or that the sky is falling. With over 3,150 user registrations and over 2,200 unique visits to the site per day you can imagine the diversity of members and volume of postings here. We register 10-15 new users per day. The big picture - We've had nearly 7,000 threads started and only a handful are 'controversial' in some way. Out of those handful most of them were either locked or deleted. These things happen on internet forums or newsgroups, it comes with the territory. A slight rise in these types of threads from what I can see is a direct correlation to the increase in overall site activity and growth. For the most part everything is running smooth, and nearly every thread that I read is pleasant.

    I am trying to find the root cause of the recent dramas and I believe it is a combination of 2 things:
    1. The nature of large internet forums, and their diversity of members
    2. Perhaps some members are bringing this pain upon themselves?

    In a perfect world I could examine every post and help steer every thread until it shimmers like a rainbow, but.. That’s just not realistic in the world of internet discussion forums. So where does this leave us? It means you guys need to take some responsibility for your actions. How can you do this? First thing is to use the ignore list feature of this forum. There are some major personality clashes here, so if you do not get along with someone it is ideal that you simply add them to your ignore list and be done with them.

    To add someone to your ignore list:

    First go to the Member Links menu item and select "Your Buddy/Ignore List"





    Then add the name and click the update button:



    very simple.

    The second thing you can do is learning which threads you should completely avoid. For example if politics and religious discussion can lead to your getting upset, it is best you stay out of these threads at all costs. If some jokes may offend you, why go into a joke thread knowing 100 people have posted jokes and there will likely be several that offend you?
    I frequent many forums on the net and APUG has one of the lowest signal to noise ratios I have ever seen. When I use net forums I never expect them to cater to me, I expect myself to steer my way through them in the best possible manner. I ignore the idiot posters, and only visit threads that can benefit me in some way. I also keep a thick skin and never assume someone's attitude or tone based on screen text. And most importantly I do not "feed the trolls" as they say.

    This is not to say APUG is going to be a free for all and everyone is on their own now. It is just a wake up call to say enough is enough, ignore people you do not like, stay away from threads that might give you grief. It's better for you, me, and the community as a whole. I like to be as hands off as possible to maintain our freedom of speech, and as usual will be keeping an eye on things if they do need serious intervention. However, at the same time I am getting more prone to responding to some of these dramas with "you've brought this on yourself, I can't help you". I hope you guys can understand where I am coming from. It is the ongoing saga of trying to balance this community without self-destructing my own personal life, and if everyone expects APUG to be some kind of utopian photographic society then we’re in a bit of trouble. Thanks for your time, and hopefully understanding. Now let's get back to photography..

    Sean

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    Bravo and keep up the good work. I think we all appreciate the opportunity that you have afforded us with this site.
    [COLOR=DarkOliveGreen][SIZE=2]"We are not at War, we are having a nervous breakdown". Hunter S. Thompson[/SIZE][/COLOR]

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    Sean an objective and rational solution as always. I know some of us may make you more work than we should, but you are very appreciated so a big thank you!

    Best wishes Tony

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    Thanks Sean!
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    So where is my pre-pre-emptive global ignore list?......

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    Sean,

    I Commend you highly, your doing a great job, much better than I did, when I ran one of my message systems, the frustration is great, the rewards are few, but you have risen to thet top and are doing this very well, keep up the great work, and most of all, Thank you for your dream of keeping analog photography alive.

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    And to the rest of you, If you don't like it, then don't read it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorge
    So where is my pre-pre-emptive global ignore list?......
    Jorge no point in asking as Sean used it himself and cannot see you

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    Quote Originally Posted by TPPhotog
    Jorge no point in asking as Sean used it himself and cannot see you
    LOL...you might have a point there, he is probably tired of all of us....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorge
    LOL...you might have a point there, he is probably tired of all of us....
    Now that you mention it Jorge, it could be a good idea. On registration, everyone fills out a personality test, then based on the results of that test, personalities you clash with are auto added to your ignore list

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    Sean,
    By and large I agree with you. the number of posts to the "lounge" shows its popularity. If APUG were to be overmoderated to the point of "sanitation" it would take much of the vibrancy from the site.

    I do think however, and I think you agree, that there are limits which need to be enforced. It is possible to post a joke that is in such bad taste that a reasonable person, or someone who belongs to the group being targeted finds deeply offensive. For examples, a sex joke that demeans women, a sacrilegious joke that demeans a religion, or an ethnic joke that demeans a minority.

    It is also possible to post to a thread or a critique a remark that absolutely insults, ridicules, or hurts another person. These postings don't belong on APUG and it's your responsibility to take the appropriate action.

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