Speaking of infant mortality, the CIA World Fact Book has ratings for different countries, and believe me, the US record is nothing to be proud of. The US ranks number 46 among the nations with a rate of 6.26 deaths per 1000 live births. We rank right between Guam and Faroe Islands. The better countries have infant mortality rates well under half of ours.
Originally Posted by Neanderman
A year and a half ago my wife took a simple fall and broke her elbow. The aggregate final bill cruised comfortably past $100,000.
Originally Posted by Photo Engineer
I'm still trying to make sense of that...
[Edit: Damn! My 1,000th post and it wasn't even on-topic...]
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"They are the proof that something was there and no longer is. Like a stain. And the stillness of them is boggling. You can turn away but when you come back they’ll still be there looking at you."
—Diane Arbus, March 15, 1971, in response to a request for a brief statement about photographs
And yet, many people in the US sneer at countries like Australia that have state run health systems.....
Originally Posted by Ken Nadvornick
Anyhow, isn't this drifting pretty quick off topic?
At risk of adding to the off-topicality, here in the UK we have the state-funded NHS system. Very good in many respects, but abysmally bad in other ways (arguably, mainly, the care and human aspects, rather than the actual medical treatments).
Originally Posted by hoffy
Private medicine and expensive insurance schemes thrive for those who want non-urgent treatment sooner or at a particular time to suit their work or circumstances.
The big problem (IMHO) is that most people don't value anything which they get "for free"...they usually demand it as "their rights", and would never consider contributing anything even if they could well afford it.
We need to quit electing people whose background is professional government aka "qualified". If a building needs to be built and you ask these people what they should do first, they will form a committee and do a study. If you ask somebody from the real world what to do first, they will say dig footings....
Originally Posted by Vaughn
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There is no sense to it. I don't see how it could possibly cost even 1/10 of that.
Originally Posted by Ken Nadvornick
Our NHS might not be perfect but I wouldn't want to be without it.
Interesting discussion. To the health system of UK I have to say that it is not very good compared to better working health systems in the European Union.
From my Austrian perspective is interesting that the private styled US health system is more expensive than our semi state run health system but does not at the same time provide sufficent health care for everyone. For us it is normal that everybody has the possibility of getting state of the art health care for free and that everybody has to pay money to the public health insurances. That doesn't mean we are living in a paradise, but generally this is fair. And so for us it seems quite strange, when we are listening to the news and listen the Republicans in the US, that they are afraid of the USA becoming a socialist country just because of Obama's health reform. They do not know much about socialism I think....
Oh we Americans know too much about socialism. We see every single european country (including Germany and Austria) in fiscal trouble. It's sad that you socialists are running out of someone else's money, and all your countries are going the way of Greece, Spain, Ireland, Portugal, and even England, where they too are in financial straits. Yes. They. Are. And the way of socialism causes the populations to forget self-initiative, and develop an entitlement mentality...thus the nanny state...they have all been trained to EXPECT the government to step in and "solve their problems"...immoral, to be sure, to be sure, to be sure.
Originally Posted by thomas l
Still, our system over here in the USA is bad, terrible. In short it is because doctors are greedy bastards, and so are the drug makers. Everyone in the medical field are greedy and demand massive pay, and little compasion.
Coming back home to my film roots. Canon EOS-3 SLR, Canon EOS 1V SLR, 580ex flash, and 5D DSLR shooter. Prime lens only shooter.
The US debt is much worse than socialist Germany...or Canada.
Originally Posted by SilverGlow
Interesting that capitalist doctors and drug makers charging what they do is an ethical and not an economic problem. If you do not like their services, in a fee market, choose another way. Because we don't want the nanny state government to impede on market choices, right?
I came here to see if there was anything new about Kodak, but didn't find very much except some flaming about health care.
Hasn't this thread gone just a little off topic?