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    Quote Originally Posted by keithwms View Post
    ME your analogy is so perfect!!!

    Perhaps we should just start a "Waaaaah" thread where people can go and say all the same things about Kodak over and over to their hearts' content and solicit empathy.
    Sounds like it should be it's own forum, sponsored by kodak of course.



    "fuji is committed to slide film" I like that. How come no one has it (8x10) in stock right now in the u.s.?
    What about fuji color neg sheet fim? Are they committed to that? Not in the u.s.
    There fault?
    What about all the fauxtographers that aren't shooting film? Can we blame them?
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    Film photography? This term kills me. As if there's another kind!

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    Can't believe it...
    Kodak management are insane!!
    First, they ruined the company, and now they have stopped producing one of the best materials they have ever created. They killed ektachrome instead of developing film branch, producing new materials, making kodachrome and aerochrome alive, etc. They are f***g stupid bastards! Do not deserve single cent for their work...

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    I just purchased a glorious 6x7 slide projector from a fellow apugger. Life is good. I think I'll set up a large slide show this spring. People need to be reminded of what is possible. I am very fortunate to have some very old glass slides to ogle too.
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    Re."I would kill for Astia..."

    Scott Shepherd has it for sale on the Large Format Forum- fresh Astia, 4x5, 20 sheets for $40.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bowie View Post
    Can't believe it...
    Kodak management are insane!!
    First, they ruined the company, and now they have stopped producing one of the best materials they have ever created. They killed ektachrome instead of developing film branch, producing new materials, making kodachrome and aerochrome alive, etc. They are f***g stupid bastards! Do not deserve single cent for their work...
    Don't hold back, tell us how you really feel.

    Sure they've been stupid in the past but I can't agree with this. Lack of demand killed off Kodachrome, and it's doing the same to Kodak E6.

    I'd rather they kill it and keep "...the best materials they have ever created" meaning Ektar 100, Portra 160/400 and TMY-2. (And Tri-X, keep Tri-X.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by bowie View Post
    Kodak management are insane!!
    Kodak management are no longer running the company.

    Or what's left of it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kb3lms View Post
    Personally, I see no reason to use reversal films any longer. This is where I think digital shines.



    Agreed, hence my "holding the bag" comment about Fuji.

    However, I think reversal film can be unsurpassed when it comes to color saturation. I don't know the scientific details, but a few years ago I bought a few rolls of Kodachrome after 20 years since using it last and took some shots of Coney Island and showed them to my wife on a light table, who was absolutely amazed at the color and realism. She has been exclusively digital since 2002 and displays on a 24" screen. I took that as high praise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Cole View Post
    Sure they've been stupid in the past but I can't agree with this. Lack of demand killed off Kodachrome, and it's doing the same to Kodak E6.
    You are right. But not only the lack of demand is a problem. Cost is a problem. Kodak is too big for the market. Market is smaller than in the past, BUT THERE IS AND STILL WILL BE THE MARKET. I am 100% sure that kodachrome and ektachrome would be profitable, if costs were fitted into smaller company.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bowie View Post
    You are right. But not only the lack of demand is a problem. Cost is a problem. Kodak is too big for the market. Market is smaller than in the past, BUT THERE IS AND STILL WILL BE THE MARKET. I am 100% sure that kodachrome and ektachrome would be profitable, if costs were fitted into smaller company.
    You owe yourself a tour through the recent Kodak threads for an idea of the economics of film production.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bowie View Post
    You are right. But not only the lack of demand is a problem. Cost is a problem. Kodak is too big for the market. Market is smaller than in the past, BUT THERE IS AND STILL WILL BE THE MARKET. I am 100% sure that kodachrome and ektachrome would be profitable, if costs were fitted into smaller company.
    Kodachrome was in a league unto itself due to the complex uniqueness of processing and the cost. It required substantially more volume than it was selling to stay economically viable.

    There is too much production capacity, too many companies, and too few customers. The market is something like 95% smaller now, and still shrinking. Sadly, there has been no consolidating force to draw the disparate elements of film production, processing, and camera production back together as they were when film was in its infancy as a mass consumer item with one supplier (Kodak). Mass production requires mass consumption, as George Eastman knew back in the day. Kodak was not only the dominant film manufacturer, it was the dominant manufacturer of cameras and for a very long time, processing and printing. It's my opinion that is where analog roll and cartridge has to go to survive. Only then can it achieve the lowest overhead and the most flexibility at reaching its market, allowing film to stay affordable enough for a semblance of the consumption necessary. Film doesn't scale too well as an industrially supplied product. A niche market cannot survive with too many suppliers. Wrong product for that approach.



 

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