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    Quote Originally Posted by wblynch View Post
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    This has to be verified of course, but a $50,000 minimum to get a special run does not sound insurmountable.
    If that is a ball-park number, then we're talking some doable things here. That's $500 up front from 100 people. Not hard to do anymore with the way the Internet brings us all together. The question in my mind would be, is that the cost for an emulsion "ready to go" as in, already in production this minute, or is that the cost for a batch of something "that was shelved" as in, a film they quit producing months or years ago?

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    I did in one word.
    Everytime I find a film or paper that I like, they discontinue it. - Paul Strand - Aperture monograph on Strand

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    Quote Originally Posted by georg16nik View Post

    As for Tmax, well Rollei Retro 80S completely murders Tmax in all regards and have the same speed.
    Rollei 80s is an aerial film, so it is a special film and does not murder TMAX as a photographic film. It is a special film, which can also be used for special purposes for photography, but it is never a substitute for TMAX. Only Hartmuth Schroeder and his special advertisers are always telling wonderful fairytales about this film (even Maco/Rollei does not tell this fairytales - don't forget he is not a manager of this company anymore!).

    It would be great if Kodak's film division makes a comeback as a small good company Let's hope

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    Been discussing this rumor with the boys in the store, and the consensus is that it may be true... Just remember the whole film with processing included business model is the way Kodak started and was run for many years. I see the whole small batch idea to be very possible, and I know if Kodak wants to go that direction, that they will be getting a lot of my money in the end.
    * Just because your eyes are closed, doesn't mean the lights in the darkroom are off. *
    * When the film you put in the camera is worth more than the camera you put the film in... *
    * When I started using 8x10, it amazed me how many shots were close to the car. *

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    Quote Originally Posted by wblynch View Post
    I believe there was an enterprising soul who was getting special runs of Kodak film to cut into sheets, re-box and distribute. I think the magic number from Kodak was $50,000 for such an order.

    This has to be verified of course, but a $50,000 minimum to get a special run does not sound insurmountable.
    i think it was keith canham who was doing special runs of film for the ULF crowd, and it was way-less than $50K ... way-less ..
    but i could be wrong ...


    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Searust View Post
    Been discussing this rumor with the boys in the store, and the consensus is that it may be true... Just remember the whole film with processing included business model is the way Kodak started and was run for many years. I see the whole small batch idea to be very possible, and I know if Kodak wants to go that direction, that they will be getting a lot of my money in the end.
    it was a great business model ! and was what eastman kodak was built upon. shoot the film, send the camera in, get the film processed +printed
    and the camera reloaded ...

    it is too bad john garo isn't around to run the lab-side of things .. he was the best of his generation ..

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    Keith Canham wasn't getting any kind of custom film. He was merely collector group orders for special cuts of
    extant film runs, primarily in 8x10, a size just recently discontinued by Kodak anyway. I participated in
    a couple of these group orders and am quite grateful to Keith for organizing it and handling the distribution. But
    we're talking about films which are being coated fairly frequently anyway, and just having part of the master roll
    dedicated to different packaging based on Kodaks minimum quantities for doing so. Coming up with a whole different emulsion than one already in the pipeline is a completely different question, even if they offered it in
    the past. I'm no expert at it, but making film is both art and science, and some thing probably can't be resurrected if the people who knew the finer tricks have already retired or found work elsewhere, or if the
    proprietary batching gear is gone, or if a special coating base was needed. The legendary Super-XX is a case
    in instance, as is Tech Pan. And coming up with a whole new designer emulsion would be even more expensive
    because you're got fresh R&D expense, and someone (other than them) would have to risk a backfire if the first
    batch was off and didn't sell. There are already companies out there who will contract that sort of thing, at least in black and white products.

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    Just FYI, Kodak announced the layoff of about 40 more film division employees today.

    PE

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    No Senior Execs, I'm sure...

    I am sad for the 40. And all the others, too.


    Quote Originally Posted by Photo Engineer View Post
    Just FYI, Kodak announced the layoff of about 40 more film division employees today.

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    Man, they better get it together soon and get the new and restyled for 2012 game plan on or just call it done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Photo Engineer View Post
    Just FYI, Kodak announced the layoff of about 40 more film division employees today.

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    Jeez, that's sad. Any idea about how many are left?



 

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