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 Originally Posted by keithwms
Anyway, I can report that most people in my generation do not assume social security will be there for them. Sad. But again... it was never designed to be a retirement plan.
While I'm not hopeful that Social Security there be there for me when I need it, it's not because it's not a fundamentally flawed system. If it goes away, it will be because politicians, a subset of them at least, want it to go away. There are many ways that it could be funded so it could stay around.
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Originally Posted by keithwms
Trust me it's not worth it! Those kinds of discussions are best had when you know the person on the other side of the table. Otherwise you may find out the other guy is clueless and you wish you could take back the time you put into attempting to have a rational discussion...
Maybe, but it seems so fashionable, today, to espouse marxist tenents, wear che t shirts, be like sean penn and empathize with hugo chavez, believe in collective salvation, throw israel to the wolves, side with the current government which wants to dismantle our constitution in every way...........and all of this is done, solely bc of the complicity ojouf the mainstream media. They must teach the virtues of communism in journalism school, must be required reading. Notwithstanding all this, i hope kodak film survives and i wish only the best to all of their retirees
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Kodak? Quit changing the subject 
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The last news I know of is:
NEW YORK, March 20 (Reuters) - Retirees of Eastman Kodak Co asked a bankruptcy judge to appoint a committee to represent their interests in light of the company's plan to shed $1 billion in benefits for Medicare-eligible retirees.
Two retiree groups argued in U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Manhattan on Tuesday that a committee was necessary under bankruptcy statutes governing retiree benefits.
"Most of these folks are without college education," R. Scott Williams, an attorney for one retiree group, told Judge Allan Gropper. "They are sitting there, needing the healthcare benefits that their employers promised them."
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...8EKCME20120320
Anybody heard anything this week?
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Tim;
How modern you are. Neither of my grandmothers worked, although one was a nurse and did some work on-call from time to time. That was the norm back then. Most women did not work until Rosie the Riveter became popular in WWII. 
PE
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Originally Posted by Photo Engineer
Tim;
How modern you are. Neither of my grandmothers worked, although one was a nurse and did some work on-call from time to time. That was the norm back then. Most women did not work until Rosie the Riveter became popular in WWII.
PE
Haha, sorry, misread a post of yours. That should have been your mother, not grandmother  I was thinking to myself that it was odd that your grandmother worked.
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Originally Posted by keithwms
Trust me it's not worth it! Those kinds of discussions are best had when you know the person on the other side of the table. Otherwise you may find out the other guy is clueless and you wish you could take back the time you put into attempting to have a rational discussion...
And then there's putting people on your "ignore" list who don't agree or who get too close to your bubble with something sharp, right? Tyler Cowen is a Koch flunky. He's Director of the Mercatus Center at George Mason University which is lavishly funded by Charles Koch. Nothing like an arch-conservative billionaire buying his own economics dept. to spew self-serving misinformation, right? Clueless, indeed.
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Originally Posted by CGW
And then there's putting people on your "ignore" list who don't agree or who get too close to your bubble with something sharp, right? Tyler Cowen is a Koch flunky. He's Director of the Mercatus Center at George Mason University which is lavishly funded by Charles Koch. Nothing like an arch-conservative billionaire buying his own economics dept. to spew self-serving misinformation, right? Clueless, indeed.
If we had more "arch-conservatives" (as you refer to them) in government, we'd be much better off, as a nation. If we weren't so afraid of "offending" every nationality, every race, every religion, sex, gender, etc... and having the behemouth Federal government intrude in evbery aspect of our lives and if the left didn't try to regulate business to the extent it does we'd be a much stronger nation, and companies like Kodak, may not have failed. Maybe, if Kodak hadn't had so many Federal regulations stifling it, it would be in a healthier position, today. Frankly, the left in this country is TOO worried about the environment. Most people are too politically correct to admit it. LAY THE PIPELINES, DRILL FOR OIL! How caers about some rare species of bird!!!! The problem with our country is that we've become weak, worrying about "how we look" to the rest of the world. We need to do what's right, and not look to the communist, U.N. for direction, and approval. Somewhere along the line...I don't know, was it Roosevelt, no...I know...it was WOODROW WILSON, the fungus of progressivism began to grow in U.S., and it's been a struggle to maintain the Constitution, ever since. Let's blame Kodak's troubles on Woodrow Wilson.
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Originally Posted by adam hirsch
Let's blame Kodak's troubles on Woodrow Wilson.
Was he a digital user then?!!
Originally Posted by adam hirsch
If we had more "arch-conservatives" (as you refer to them) in government, we'd be much better off, as a nation.
Looking at the US from outside, it seems to be far too conservative. Your Democrats appear to be extra conservative and your Republicans are super-mega conservative!
Steve.
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CGW your BS just isn't worth dignifying. I decided to do other APUG members the courtesy of not quoting you. You just need to go do some homework.
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Steve, the traditional liberal-conservative balance in the US is completely askew right now. You can't even interpret our politics in terms of traditional liberal or conservative debates any more. Some of the so-called conservatives want very radical fiscal changes, and quite a few of the so-called liberals are as conservative as the republicans when it comes to social issues. There are (believe it or not!) a few good people with pragmatic ideas, but the overall picture is more discouraging than I can ever recall. This situation reminds me a lot of when Perot jumped into the mix and took 19%. That could easily happen again in this race; neither side is presenting a compelling case for how they can better lead the country. And so a lot of people just want something different... anything different!
My guess, Obama wins the popular vote, but Romney wins the electoral. It'll be a mess.
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