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    Quote Originally Posted by jnanian View Post
    it would be nice if they did all these thing that are suggested
    but their current pricing is kind of over the top!
    100 sheets of 4x5 film ( tmy ) is nearly double what ilford charges
    and close to triple what the eastern european films are.
    i was going to buy some recently, but couldn't justify the cost
    no matter how much i have shot this film in the last 20 years
    (thousands of sheets and rolls &c ) ...
    i wish kodak the best, but my at the prices they are charging
    you need to be independently wealthy to buy+use it.
    Agree. Despite my flagrantly over-reported pessimism, I'm truly concerned that price is building as the biggest downdraft on demand for Kodak product. Local pricing here in Toronto--thanks, apparently, to no steady wholesale supplier--is climbing and it's still cheaper to buy from B&H. Suck it up? For now, yeah. But sinking demand-->higher prices-->lower demand-->even higher prices. People loathed old Aristophanes hereabouts but he knew the economics no one really wanted to face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CGW View Post
    Agree. Despite my flagrantly over-reported pessimism, I'm truly concerned that price is building as the biggest downdraft on demand for Kodak product. Local pricing here in Toronto--thanks, apparently, to no steady wholesale supplier--is climbing and it's still cheaper to buy from B&H. Suck it up? For now, yeah. But sinking demand-->higher prices-->lower demand-->even higher prices. People loathed old Aristophanes hereabouts but he knew the economics no one really wanted to face.
    It was very disappointing to see how Aristophanes was treated by some here. To an objective observer such as myself, I could clearly see he was no troll. The guy clearly knows what he is talking about regarding corporate economics. I never sensed he was happy about the seemingly unstoppable demise of film. He was just reading the cards as they continued to be dealt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old-N-Feeble View Post
    PE... If one wishes to be a physicist, chemist or mathematician then they'd better be damned good at it and work for an American pharmaceutical company or anywhere outside the USA... like China... or India... or Brazil... or??

    Pharma is no good place to go. I'm a chemist with friends who work for big pharmaceutical companies in the US. They are survivors, as there have been massive layoffs across the industry as it has consolidated. After that, outsourcing to Asian labs is the next big threat. Guys with 20 years experience designing medicines to fight cancer are completely afraid for their jobs. It truly is a pathetic world now.

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    Ratty, a damned shame for certain and pathetic it truly is. God Bless the USA... Our world-class corporations are SO DEDICATED to our country and it's people...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CGW View Post
    Agree. Despite my flagrantly over-reported pessimism, I'm truly concerned that price is building as the biggest downdraft on demand for Kodak product. Local pricing here in Toronto--thanks, apparently, to no steady wholesale supplier--is climbing and it's still cheaper to buy from B&H. Suck it up? For now, yeah. But sinking demand-->higher prices-->lower demand-->even higher prices. People loathed old Aristophanes hereabouts but he knew the economics no one really wanted to face.
    cgw

    i don't think you are a pessimist, you are a realist ..
    no one wants to read or see or hear what they know to be true.
    ( i agree with most of what you say ... )

    i know what you mean, i thought about how if i don't buy it now it was going to be more expensive
    because my measly 200 sheets would have kept the price down ... but then i realized
    that i don't have $360 to spend on 180$, or 90$ of film. i would rather not eat ( or make my family eat )
    mac+cheese or ramen-noodles or PBJ sandwiches for a few months because i splurged on film.
    besides i don't think my 200 sheets will be missed one bit ... i bought 200 sheets a few months
    ago and it wasn't noticed, they raised the prices before and afterwards.

    john

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    Quote Originally Posted by RattyMouse View Post
    It was very disappointing to see how Aristophanes was treated by some here. To an objective observer such as myself, I could clearly see he was no troll. The guy clearly knows what he is talking about regarding corporate economics. I never sensed he was happy about the seemingly unstoppable demise of film. He was just reading the cards as they continued to be dealt.
    If he was so correct, how could so many people poke so many holes in his arguments? I think that is what I noticed more than anything else. His feelings about analog are, as you say and I agree.

    Pe

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    A cogent point, PE.
    He had a point of view, and it was based at least in part on his background, but that didn't make his opinions right.
    More than once he misinterpreted events at Kodak, stating they indicated something which was not so.
    So he got challenged, and rightly so.
    Last edited by lxdude; 05-12-2012 at 06:44 PM. Click to view previous post history.
    I do use a digital device in my photographic pursuits when necessary.
    When someone rags on me for using film, I use a middle digit, upraised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lxdude View Post
    A cogent point, PE.
    He had a point of view, and it was based at least in part on his background, but that didn't make his opinions right.
    He misinterpreted data more than once.
    OK, like what? He understood microeconomics and didn't have much time for the magical thinking, fabulism, and misinformation often used to counter his arguments. Been awhile since I've seen a messenger shot up as badly.

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    It's hard to quote him, because when he left he took his posts with him.

    But after the dissolution of the 3 separate groups and establishment of the current commercial and consumer groups, he said that the film division was gone. And he meant gone. It wasn't, of course-only the external structure changed, with the film division serving both.

    He also declared that a condition of bankruptcy was that film production would cease. He somehow gleaned that out of the statements, saying that it would be a requirement in that situation. He was wrong; no one else here could find what he was talking about, but did find some statements which contradicted that.

    He wasn't a messenger-he was a person with an opinion. People working in finance are often sure of opinions which turn out to be wrong. A lot of people have become painfully aware of that in the last several years.
    Last edited by lxdude; 05-12-2012 at 09:59 PM. Click to view previous post history. Reason: clarity
    I do use a digital device in my photographic pursuits when necessary.
    When someone rags on me for using film, I use a middle digit, upraised.

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    He also stated that the film division was not making money, but it is. In fact, for the last several years it is the only manufacturing division at EK that has steadily returned a profit. Although it is also steadily decreasing mostly due to the decline in MP use which was thoroughly reported in another series of threads.

    PE



 

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