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    Robert Vonk says in this thread (5 April 2012, in Dutch) that his entire stock of Foma 200-120 will be replaced with new production. The new production Jelke is referring to is not the same new production that Robert is waiting for. Robert's new is newer .

    The yet to arrive hyper-new Foma 200-120 may be improved, only time will tell.

    Sorry about your wasted films Jelke, that really sucks. Good of Robert though that he replaced them with something better.

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    The new-and-supposedly-improved Foma 200-120 arrived in the mail today. Credit to Robert and his Fotohuis RoVo for catering to Foma's and the customer's needs. Not an entirely thankful position to be in.

    The new film is dated 1/2015, batch number 010656 4. Robert has written on the white wrapper "Foma 200 new". Nothing on the original packaging to indicate that something has changed, as far as I can tell. We'll have to go by the emulsion numbers.

    I will submit it to what is usance for most films but a massive torture test for Fomafilm: a trip in the Hasselblad. Observations to follow soon.

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    Looking forward to the test results!

    Trond

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    I still have a few rolls of this horrible batch, but I won't bother with turning them in. I'd love to hear how the "new" emulsion performs, Fomapan in Rodinal is the greatest thing since sliced bread.
    And the sign said, "long haired freaky people need not apply"

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    Alas, the new (i.e. replacement) Foma 200-120 doesn't seem to work for me.

    I shot two films @EI 120 in the Hasselblad, and developed them in Rodinal 1+50 for 9'. Although the frames look fine at small sizes, closer inpection reveals the following:
    1. a shot noise like pattern of tiny black dots (i.e. clear spots on the negative),
    2. dark lines (i.e. semi transparent on the negative) running along both sides of the frames, along the entire length of the film,
    3. the occasional scratch (short straight lines, parallel to the length of the film).

    An example of 1 and 2 (visible on all frames):

    The entire frame looks sort of alright:
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    but a closer look of cow 8959.6 reveals 1 and 2:
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    Another frame shows scratching very similar to what could be seen in Foma 100-120:
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    Not all frames are scratched to this extent; the above shot is worst.

    There may be workarounds for some or all of these issues: use demineralized/distilled water for the developer, don't pre-soak the film, don't use this film in Hasselblads and the likes (tight loading systems), etc etc. I will not attempt any of this.

    Other, minor observations:
    - The film is very short. Loading until the arrows on the insert and the film are aligned will make you lose part of the last frame. Workaround is to load the film until just before the arrows align, like this:
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    Then all frames will just (but only just) fit the film. It's a tight fit:
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    Foma had better call this 11-frame film, or, preferably, make the film a bit longer; just a few centimeters should do.

    - The backing may feel less coarse than that of the 'old' (before the swap) 200-120. This is from the top of my head. I chucked all the old backing paper, therefore I cannot verify.

    - The base is colourless (to my eyes) polyester, no blue tint.

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    now i finally know which film sally mann uses..foma film
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    this is my foma film
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    Quote Originally Posted by jelke View Post
    this is my foma film
    Never seen rain before Jelke? And you're surprised that some of it ended up on your precious film? Geezzz, some people will never learn.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sandermarijn View Post
    Never seen rain before Jelke?
    rain enough here in holland... but this was the first rain in my studio

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    hmmm

    This is sad to hear. We experienced the same issue with the FOMA-r stock http://dr5.com/blackandwhiteslide/fomar.html

    We brought the attention of a poor product to both, distributor & manufacture, who only treated us as poorly as the product is. All we can do is keep our clients advised. Too bad they can not get this problem resolved.
    As far as we know these defective products are being sold in the US, they have not been recalled.

    regards - dr5





    Quote Originally Posted by sandermarijn View Post
    Alas, the new (i.e. replacement) Foma 200-120 doesn't seem to work for me.

    I shot two films @EI 120 in the Hasselblad, and developed them in Rodinal 1+50 for 9'. Although the frames look fine at small sizes, closer inpection reveals the following:
    1. a shot noise like pattern of tiny black dots (i.e. clear spots on the negative),
    2. dark lines (i.e. semi transparent on the negative) running along both sides of the frames, along the entire length of the film,
    3. the occasional scratch (short straight lines, parallel to the length of the film).

    An example of 1 and 2 (visible on all frames):

    The entire frame looks sort of alright:
    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	foma200_rodinal_120419_003.jpg 
Views:	54 
Size:	144.0 KB 
ID:	49691

    but a closer look of cow 8959.6 reveals 1 and 2:
    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	foma200_rodinal_120419_003_crop.jpg 
Views:	67 
Size:	58.6 KB 
ID:	49692

    Another frame shows scratching very similar to what could be seen in Foma 100-120:
    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	foma200_rodinal_120418_001_small.jpg 
Views:	60 
Size:	72.9 KB 
ID:	49693
    Not all frames are scratched to this extent; the above shot is worst.

    There may be workarounds for some or all of these issues: use demineralized/distilled water for the developer, don't pre-soak the film, don't use this film in Hasselblads and the likes (tight loading systems), etc etc. I will not attempt any of this.

    Other, minor observations:
    - The film is very short. Loading until the arrows on the insert and the film are aligned will make you lose part of the last frame. Workaround is to load the film until just before the arrows align, like this:
    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	foma200_loading_hblad.jpg 
Views:	44 
Size:	97.4 KB 
ID:	49694

    Then all frames will just (but only just) fit the film. It's a tight fit:
    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	foma200_short_length.jpg 
Views:	51 
Size:	40.2 KB 
ID:	49695

    Foma had better call this 11-frame film, or, preferably, make the film a bit longer; just a few centimeters should do.

    - The backing may feel less coarse than that of the 'old' (before the swap) 200-120. This is from the top of my head. I chucked all the old backing paper, therefore I cannot verify.

    - The base is colourless (to my eyes) polyester, no blue tint.

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