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    Quote Originally Posted by CuS View Post
    I knew I loved Tarantino for a reason - from the article:

    "Jefchak works at the New Beverly, which is owned by Quentin Tarantino. A regular at the art-house cinema, Tarantino bought the place in 2007, when it was in danger of closing. The New Beverly still plays traditional reel-to-reel 35mm, and Tarantino has said that the day the cinema puts in a digital projector is the day he burns it to the ground."
    My wife doesn't love Quentin ('s theatre). She had to sit 2 rows directly behind his massive noggin at a screening there for Inglorius Basterds and missed the middle one third of the movie. Not the middle of the movie, the center third of the projection onto the screen! Well, at least the snacks were free.

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    The whole name of the game is to establish big monopolies by controlling production from capture to
    dedicated distribution and projection. Independent theaters will be driven out - but that's the whole
    point! No different than certain gas station chains. They find someone to take on a franchise and
    build it up, then force them into a capital-intensive "improvement" contract (typically a Mini Mart),
    then immediately jack up the wholesale price our their own brand of gas. They do it region by region.
    So the lease holder bankrupts and the already running business reverts to the petro company itself.
    I almost never go to theaters anyway - if it ain't in Technicolor, why bother?

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    I saw a premier of some winter sports films last September (in prep for the season) and woefully disappointed at the digital quality. I was up front and could see squares the whole time. WTF. And the weird ghosting with fast movements almost made me ill to my stomach. The silliest part is the fact that the digital technologies used for both filming and projection were advertised when we first sat down.

    I'm not sure I can stomach that again. Give me film or give me nothing at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DREW WILEY View Post
    The whole name of the game is to establish big monopolies by controlling production from capture to
    dedicated distribution and projection. Independent theaters will be driven out - but that's the whole
    point! No different than certain gas station chains. They find someone to take on a franchise and
    build it up, then force them into a capital-intensive "improvement" contract (typically a Mini Mart),
    then immediately jack up the wholesale price our their own brand of gas. They do it region by region.
    So the lease holder bankrupts and the already running business reverts to the petro company itself.
    I almost never go to theaters anyway - if it ain't in Technicolor, why bother?
    Drew:

    A friend of mine was in management with one of the smaller Canadian gas companies. He used to say that the retail margins on gasoline sales were so narrow that every station that put in a "Mini Mart" operation immediately increased their retail profits tremendously.

    And car washes made more money than gas sales as well.
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    GIVE ME FILM OR GIVE ME DEATH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klainmeister View Post
    I saw a premier of some winter sports films last September (in prep for the season) and woefully disappointed at the digital quality. I was up front and could see squares the whole time. WTF. And the weird ghosting with fast movements almost made me ill to my stomach. The silliest part is the fact that the digital technologies used for both filming and projection were advertised when we first sat down.

    I'm not sure I can stomach that again. Give me film or give me nothing at all.
    Much like the 3D gimmick. It only took two movies for me to say never again, and this is supposed to be the future of cinema? I'm not even old enough to be nostalgic or anything, but it's obvious to me that things nowadays are moving in the wrong direction on many fronts. Quality, skill and craftsmanship is being replaced with cheap, fast and convenient. Film related businesses are struggling while Instagram, a cellphone app that adds some crappy filter to your low-res photo and uploads them to a website, sells for a billion dollars. I mean seriously, wtf?

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    Quote Originally Posted by amsp View Post
    Much like the 3D gimmick. It only took two movies for me to say never again, and this is supposed to be the future of cinema?
    I have seen advertisements for Titanic saying is now in 3D. How can that be? Surely it wasn't filmed in 3D?


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    Quote Originally Posted by amsp View Post
    Related or not to this thread, I find it sickening that we live in a world where thousands of people can loose their jobs just so a few already extremely rich people can line their pockets with a couple of extra millions. Oftentimes at the expense of quality and workmanship at the same time. Ahhhh, progress.
    It's the way of the World and it's not going to change "Capitalism is savagery"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Smith View Post
    I have seen advertisements for Titanic saying is now in 3D. How can that be? Surely it wasn't filmed in 3D?

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    No but you can fake it. Some pseudo-3D titles have objects placed in distinct layers and look really bad but computer vision is advancing to the point where it's possible to generate depth from optical flow in the scene and use camera motion as a source of parallax; very similar mathematics to synthetic aperture radar. Results vary but can be excellent with a little manual tweaking.

    There were some good (academic) demos about 2008 showing 3D scene reconstruction (triangles meshes and textures) just using video from a moving camera. I expect by now that the process is more reliable though of course I've no idea if that's what any particular studio is doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by polyglot View Post
    No but you can fake it. Some pseudo-3D titles have objects placed in distinct layers and look really bad but computer vision is advancing to the point where it's possible to generate depth from optical flow in the scene and use camera motion as a source of parallax; very similar mathematics to synthetic aperture radar. Results vary but can be excellent with a little manual tweaking.

    There were some good (academic) demos about 2008 showing 3D scene reconstruction (triangles meshes and textures) just using video from a moving camera. I expect by now that the process is more reliable though of course I've no idea if that's what any particular studio is doing.
    A friend of mine was dabbling with this a few years ago, creating 3D pictures from regular 2D photographs. The idea was to break the picture in layers, and have custom software approximate what a stereo view of that scene would be like, based on what the surrounding looks like. It worked out OK, but it was 4-5 years ago, and a lot has happened since with technology.

    I've seen one movie in 3D, and frankly will not pursue it again, as it looked awful to me. At the same time, when I go to the cinema, I usually sit far back where I can't tell enough difference between digital and film projection to care, and basically have no preference whether the film was shot with digital or with film, as long as the movie itself is good. I do care about the movie itself, how good the story is, how well the characters are developed, directing, convincing acting, cinematography, gesture, suspension of disbelief, lighting... And that's the main reason I don't find myself attracted to many of the movies out there anymore. The last inspiring movie I watched was Lars von Trier's 'Melancholia'. However it was filmed, it was a spectacular movie and worth seeing.

    We, as a subset of society, are worried about this switch from film to digital, mostly for the simple fact that movie film production largely dictates still film production, and we don't wish to see it vanish. If Kodak did not make Vision movie stock, could they continue making just still film?
    "Often moments come looking for us". - Robert Frank

    "Make good art!" - Neil Gaiman

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