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    The only products from Kodak that are important to me are film and paper. If the company survives but the film and paper division does not, then it ceases to be relevant to me.

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    It has been clear for a long time that the market for analogue photography products would never again be near what it once was.

    Kodak used to make huge profits from that market. As Kodak is a public company, its Board of Directors has and had the legal duty to attempt to replace those profits with similar profits.

    When the world started turning away from film, it was clear that Kodak had to look elsewhere to replace most of those huge profits.

    They have done a very poor job of finding and taking advantage of replacement profit sources. In addition, arguably they have done a very poor job of maximizing the benefit of that portion of their old analogue photography products that still produced significant, albeit smaller profits.

    If the patent auctions don't produce enough cash, there will be a large number of creditors left being owed a large amount of money. Some of them may be forced into bankruptcy.

    By itself, Kodak's film operations currently produce a profit. If you assign those operations responsibility for some or all of Kodak's legacy costs (particularly unfunded retiree's benefits and to a small extent unfunded pensions) than the accountants will tell you that the film operations don't make a profit.

    I would surmise that Ilford really doesn't want Kodak to fail, because Ilford is relatively very small, and the failure of Kodak will hurt the market Ilford trades into much more than any benefit Ilford may gain from no longer needing to compete with Kodak.

    If you like Kodak products, buy them. You won't hurt Ilford by doing so.
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    Ansel Adams, from the introduction to The Negative - The New Ansel Adams Photography Series / Book 2

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    Quote Originally Posted by RattyMouse View Post
    ... the massive legacy costs. That is what makes the future look so grim. ...the legacy costs ... Certainly I am no expert at all this but shafting the retirees is not an option. At least I hope it is not.

    There's no way Kodak's tiny film division today can support the enormous legacy cost of Kodak.
    It seems unlikely, doesn't it. Very sad thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RattyMouse View Post
    Whoa boy. Calm down. FYI I just bought my first film camera last week. First film camera since about 10 years ago. I dont have any anti-film bias here AT ALL. PERIOD.

    We are participating in a discussion about the longevity of Kodak. You dont like it? Then get out of this thread. If you dont care, as you claim to, then why are you here?

    I bought two rolls of Kodak TMax 400 and a few of Porta400. But I am not going to buy anymore Kodak because I'd rather try to help a healthy film company survive. Ilford deserves more business because they clearly have competent managers. Fujifilm too.
    Look, I am not trying to harp on you, but in the past several months, Industry News has turned into the Ratty Mouse soap box page. I know as well as anyone that Kodak's future in making film or anything for that matter is all but uncertain. But you interject these stabs at Kodak as if you know something we don't.....and I'm sorry, but you are in no position to say if Kodak's film making future is healthy or not, no one really is and I can tell you for a *Fact* that the people I deal with at Kodak are moving forward as if film from Kodak will survive.

    So maybe give it a rest for once, yeah?

    Film needs advocates, not people to constantly dissect it's future...
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    Quote Originally Posted by PKM-25 View Post
    Look, I am not trying to harp on you, but in the past several months, Industry News has turned into the Ratty Mouse soap box page. I know as well as anyone that Kodak's future in making film or anything for that matter is all but uncertain. But you interject these stabs at Kodak as if you know something we don't.....and I'm sorry, but you are in no position to say if Kodak's film making future is healthy or not, no one really is and I can tell you for a *Fact* that the people I deal with at Kodak are moving forward as if film from Kodak will survive.

    So maybe give it a freaking rest for once, yeah?
    With esprit de corps so rock solid at Kodak, what explains Scott Disabato bailing for Canson? Just coincidence, right?

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    The people making the film are probably quite happy. They know they are doing well.

    It is the sales dept that is letting EK down so much. They are falling flat on their face. That is probably why Scott left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Photo Engineer View Post
    It is the sales dept that is letting EK down so much. They are falling flat on their face. That is probably why Scott left.
    All of what you said should be in past tense. I am close friends with a Kodak retiree who was a licensing and sales manager... and he has too many stories where Kodak made bad decisions and others ended up prospering as they filled in the gap. He retired quite a while ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Photo Engineer View Post
    The people making the film are probably quite happy. They know they are doing well.

    It is the sales dept that is letting EK down so much. They are falling flat on their face. That is probably why Scott left.

    PE
    Dunno, he was very chirpy about the film resurgence mirage in late '11 interviews on the eve of the bankruptcy filing. What's a guy with a mortgage and a family to do?

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    Brian;

    I know about bad decisions. Hear my interview on "Inside Analog Photography". After all, I AM a Kodak retiree and also I have spoken with Scott DiSabado.

    There were many bad management decisions, but the worst were in the sales division changing the entire sales regions and making it more difficult to buy products.

    PE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Photo Engineer View Post
    Brian;

    I know about bad decisions. Hear my interview on "Inside Analog Photography". After all, I AM a Kodak retiree and also I have spoken with Scott DiSabado.

    There were many bad management decisions, but the worst were in the sales division changing the entire sales regions and making it more difficult to buy products.

    PE
    They threw away the market here after the Kodak Canada sinking in '05. But even prior to that, marketing and supply chain issues were just handing business to Fuji.



 

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