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    Quote Originally Posted by RattyMouse View Post
    Whoa boy. Calm down. FYI I just bought my first film camera last week. First film camera since about 10 years ago. I dont have any anti-film bias here AT ALL. PERIOD.

    We are participating in a discussion about the longevity of Kodak. You dont like it? Then get out of this thread. If you dont care, as you claim to, then why are you here?

    I bought two rolls of Kodak TMax 400 and a few of Porta400. But I am not going to buy anymore Kodak because I'd rather try to help a healthy film company survive. Ilford deserves more business because they clearly have competent managers. Fujifilm too.
    Look, I am not trying to harp on you, but in the past several months, Industry News has turned into the Ratty Mouse soap box page. I know as well as anyone that Kodak's future in making film or anything for that matter is all but uncertain. But you interject these stabs at Kodak as if you know something we don't.....and I'm sorry, but you are in no position to say if Kodak's film making future is healthy or not, no one really is and I can tell you for a *Fact* that the people I deal with at Kodak are moving forward as if film from Kodak will survive.

    So maybe give it a rest for once, yeah?

    Film needs advocates, not people to constantly dissect it's future...
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    Quote Originally Posted by PKM-25 View Post
    Look, I am not trying to harp on you, but in the past several months, Industry News has turned into the Ratty Mouse soap box page. I know as well as anyone that Kodak's future in making film or anything for that matter is all but uncertain. But you interject these stabs at Kodak as if you know something we don't.....and I'm sorry, but you are in no position to say if Kodak's film making future is healthy or not, no one really is and I can tell you for a *Fact* that the people I deal with at Kodak are moving forward as if film from Kodak will survive.

    So maybe give it a freaking rest for once, yeah?
    With esprit de corps so rock solid at Kodak, what explains Scott Disabato bailing for Canson? Just coincidence, right?

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    The people making the film are probably quite happy. They know they are doing well.

    It is the sales dept that is letting EK down so much. They are falling flat on their face. That is probably why Scott left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Photo Engineer View Post
    It is the sales dept that is letting EK down so much. They are falling flat on their face. That is probably why Scott left.
    All of what you said should be in past tense. I am close friends with a Kodak retiree who was a licensing and sales manager... and he has too many stories where Kodak made bad decisions and others ended up prospering as they filled in the gap. He retired quite a while ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Photo Engineer View Post
    The people making the film are probably quite happy. They know they are doing well.

    It is the sales dept that is letting EK down so much. They are falling flat on their face. That is probably why Scott left.

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    Dunno, he was very chirpy about the film resurgence mirage in late '11 interviews on the eve of the bankruptcy filing. What's a guy with a mortgage and a family to do?

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    Brian;

    I know about bad decisions. Hear my interview on "Inside Analog Photography". After all, I AM a Kodak retiree and also I have spoken with Scott DiSabado.

    There were many bad management decisions, but the worst were in the sales division changing the entire sales regions and making it more difficult to buy products.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Photo Engineer View Post
    Brian;

    I know about bad decisions. Hear my interview on "Inside Analog Photography". After all, I AM a Kodak retiree and also I have spoken with Scott DiSabado.

    There were many bad management decisions, but the worst were in the sales division changing the entire sales regions and making it more difficult to buy products.

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    They threw away the market here after the Kodak Canada sinking in '05. But even prior to that, marketing and supply chain issues were just handing business to Fuji.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CGW View Post
    With esprit de corps so rock solid at Kodak, what explains Scott Disabato bailing for Canson? Just coincidence, right?
    I'm sure they are stressed, but hopeful. I think we all know what the chances are of a film division survival or even a purchase / spin off. Maybe Scott moving on says a lot, I don't know. For example, one of my main clients is a ski area. Last year, a new young marketing manager moved in and shook things up a bit. Several photogs did not get contracts renewed and key people under him that I had been dealing with for over ten years all left. So I thought the whole shebang was hosed.

    But now they have new blood, younger more forward thinking, energetic folks...and I have to say much to my surprise, it is far better than it has ever been, my work has doubled and we have a blast. So I am not saying that Scott and company were a tired affair, but maybe that with what Kodak's film group has planned in a best case scenario, the fit was no longer right, especially considering what his salary looked like after 20 years.

    I have a hunch what the future might hold, but I would rather not go into it, so I keep buying and using the products along with Ilford and hope for the best, make enough investments on my end to add some security to the whole thing.

    I understand the speculation, especially as we get closer and closer to what will be Kodak's do or die dates. But when it gets to be a dissection party or witch hunt, sometimes I just want to scream.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PKM-25 View Post
    I'm sure they are stressed, but hopeful. I think we all know what the chances are of a film division survival or even a purchase / spin off. Maybe Scott moving on says a lot, I don't know. For example, one of my main clients is a ski area. Last year, a new young marketing manager moved in and shook things up a bit. Several photogs did not get contracts renewed and key people under him that I had been dealing with for over ten years all left. So I thought the whole shebang was hosed.

    But now they have new blood, younger more forward thinking, energetic folks...and I have to say much to my surprise, it is far better than it has ever been, my work has doubled and we have a blast. So I am not saying that Scott and company were a tired affair, but maybe that with what Kodak's film group has planned in a best case scenario, the fit was no longer right, especially considering what his salary looked like after 20 years.

    I have a hunch what the future might hold, but I would rather not go into it, so I keep buying and using the products along with Ilford and hope for the best, make enough investments on my end to add some security to the whole thing.

    I understand the speculation, especially as we get closer and closer to what will be Kodak's do or die dates. But when it gets to be a dissection party or witch hunt, sometimes I just want to scream.
    People are just reacting to published Kodak-related news items. Personally, I can't see the point of trading in hearsay, undisclosed sources, or info from unverifiable insider leaks/contacts. Don't like the news? Sorry!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CGW View Post
    They threw away the market ... marketing and supply chain issues were just handing business to Fuji.
    ... and that is EXACTLY the stories my friend tells (except instead of Canada he speaks of Hollywood)!



 

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