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    Quote Originally Posted by Felinik View Post
    Cut out the middle man and sell direct online. Negotiate a volume deal with DHL or UPS and make sure the shipping conditions and prices for the customers are reflected in the prices of the products.

    I can't buy EFKE locally anyway, no stores in my area carries it, so I used to get it online from Germany.
    This wonīt work because the "middle men" finance the product availability and optimize freight and customs. Efke produced on demand every 6 weeks and we kept stock for 6 months in order to be somehow able to supply in a way that a customer can expect us to. It is extremely expensive to sell small quantities of product to individuals and give technical support etc. You need the capital (interest), infrastructure and people for that and this costs you money. In the end you get to keep at maximum the amount that the "middle men" earned as a profit. By no means you will be able to keep all the markup he added. An now guess what?
    The middel men arentīt doing to well in this price driven market either.....

    So this will bring you nowhere. The market needs to stabilise itīs markup chain. Today Fuji Europe announced a 20% price increase on all silver halide products. This is good news for the industry and for the consumers even though consumers might disagree in a first reflex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curt View Post
    http://www.fotoimpex.de/shop/filme-f...nch11x14-inch/

    Tell me why I can't buy this product? This link to the page was copied just now.
    Like I said our stock is already running very low and this is why we had to cancel dealer orders.
    This product is already sold out.
    We cannot keep up taking products out of the webshop.

    What a sad week!

    Mirko

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    Quote Originally Posted by ADOX Fotoimpex View Post
    This wonīt work because the "middle men" finance the product availability and optimize freight and customs. Efke produced on demand every 6 weeks and we kept stock for 6 months in order to be somehow able to supply in a way that a customer can expect us to. It is extremely expensive to sell small quantities of product to individuals and give technical support etc. You need the capital (interest), infrastructure and people for that and this costs you money. In the end you get to keep at maximum the amount that the "middle men" earned as a profit. By no means you will be able to keep all the markup he added. An now guess what?
    The middel men arentīt doing to well in this price driven market either.....

    So this will bring you nowhere. The market needs to stabilise itīs markup chain. Today Fuji Europe announced a 20% price increase on all silver halide products. This is good news for the industry and for the consumers even though consumers might disagree in a first reflex.

    Mirko

    I don't know about all that, after all logistics is logistics, no matter what product you sell. Now of course I have no idea what margin chains there are on film, but assuming there's at least two instances inbetween the manufacturer and the client, it should be a quite good deal in the end if done right.

    And I'm quite sure many of the middle men wouldn't mind emptying some of the shelf space and get more space for other products that move faster with higher figures shifting.


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    EFKE

    Another hit to the analog world - What a terrible year. http://www.digitaltruth.com/blog/index.php?entry=50

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    Threads merged, moved to "Industry news."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Grant View Post
    Four weeks ago they were not positive about the end of producing film, this announcement makes it offical and final

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    Was Lodima being coated in the Efke plant in the end? That discussion was a few years ago, and I forgot how it was resolved, and a search doesn't turn up much about where the paper is manufactured.
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    This is true for any custom shop - including us. It is the reason labs, stores & factories close. The buying market will not pay more or doesn't have the money, and does not understand the true costs of providing these services and product today. It's amazing the complete ignorance most have to this dilemma. I am actually shocked when I speak to someone who gets the current market situation.



    Quote Originally Posted by ADOX Fotoimpex View Post
    Efke is ceasing production voluntarily because they cannot make money in selling film and papers anymore. Market prices are way to low for silver based products since about 5 years, especially if your products contain a lot of silver.
    Many of our ambitious projects stalled because of this as well.
    Repairing the machine is not an option because it makes no economic sense to continue the production after the repair has been done. Not because it canīt be done or there would be no money available (this is simplifying things a bit but in general this is true).

    We are not moving their production anywhere. This sad news has hit us suddenly and all we do at this point is thinking about ways what possibly could be done now to deal with the situation. Our stocks will be depleted in about 2 months.

    One option is to manufacture a similar film on a small scale with modern technology at a higher price. If it sells at this price, production is sustainable.
    This is only possible in our very small factory which we built from pieces of the former Agfa research dept. We are talking quantities here which are a fraction of what efke did and needed to do in order to support their operation in the size it was. They were small compared to Ilford and Kodak but are also quite large compared to us.
    For efke this is not an option because on a higher price level turnover will fall and both will lead to the same outcome: Not being able to recover running costs from sales or even think about profit.

    Mirko

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    Quote Originally Posted by dr5chrome View Post
    The buying market will not pay more or doesn't have the money...
    The number who can but won't is dwarfed these days by the number who would but can't...

    Ken
    "They are the proof that something was there and no longer is. Like a stain. And the stillness of them is boggling. You can turn away but when you come back they’ll still be there looking at you."

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