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    Rem-Jet is the Top Level of anti-halation, Anti-static, and positive lubrication systems for film
    As you indicated other substances have been found to coat films.

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    From what i understand, ECN2 films are processed identical to c-41, except for the removal of the rem-jet backing.
    If they produced such films without the rem-jet you would find they would be popular, since it would be alot easier to process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nzoomed View Post
    From what i understand, ECN2 films are processed identical to c-41, except for the removal of the rem-jet backing.
    If they produced such films without the rem-jet you would find they would be popular, since it would be alot easier to process.
    The two processes are similar, but not identical. ECN2 films are inherently of lower contrast, as they are designed to be printed on to film stock, rather than paper, and the ECN2 process is optimized with that in mind.

    You can develop either film in either process, but your results will not be optimum. Some of the problems you encounter if you do may be correctable using digital means, but not all of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nzoomed View Post
    From what i understand, ECN2 films are processed identical to c-41, except for the removal of the rem-jet backing.
    If they produced such films without the rem-jet you would find they would be popular, since it would be alot easier to process.
    Not true at all, the color couplers are different and I've seen PE warm that using C-41 with ECN-2 film may not have long color stability.

    My own experiments with that yielded great reds but every other color was off.
    Last edited by StoneNYC; 07-03-2014 at 07:03 PM. Click to view previous post history. Reason: whoops, color couplers...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MattKing View Post
    The two processes are similar, but not identical. ECN2 films are inherently of lower contrast, as they are designed to be printed on to film stock, rather than paper, and the ECN2 process is optimized with that in mind.

    You can develop either film in either process, but your results will not be optimum. Some of the problems you encounter if you do may be correctable using digital means, but not all of them.
    You should really scratch mix the ECN developer rather than use C41. The colour couplers are different.

    The ECN is nice film.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneNYC View Post
    Not true at all, the dye stabilizers etc are different and I've seen PE warm that using C-41 with ECN-2 film may not have long color stability.

    My own experiments with that yielded great reds but every other color was off.
    OK, thats interesting, i asked on another thread regarding this and said it was the same. Either way i think that ECN2 films would be great in still cameras, there is a company that sells it loaded in 35mm canisters with the remjet removed and ready to go in a C41 lab.
    Thats why i thought it was ok to use C41, they all said it was OK.

    Does ECN-2 film have the orange mask like on C41 film?
    I thought they had a clear base, but i saw a video on youtube of someone removing the remjet backing on some motion picture film and it had an orange mask.
    Much nicer to scan clear film base, and that rollei CN200 has a clear base. Im keen to shoot some.

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    The mask improves the colour of the shadows and highlights, it should not annoy a scanner.

    The C41 and ECN colour developers are different.

    The REMJET should only be removed post exposure.

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    The mask improves colour purity, at all densities.

    The masks adds density. Density that could bring a scanner nearer to its noise. This is a sales argument by the industry.

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    I thought the mask was used for colour correction when printing onto photographic paper?
    Thats interesting to know.
    If i get round to it, ill try and shoot some.

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    Yes, it is. It nevertheless would give better colour rendition in transparency film too, but the same time the mask remaining would spoil all that.

    The working principle of that automated colour-correcting mask is that its basic density (as seen at the unexposed parts) is filtered out at the final product, which is not possible with slides.



 

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