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    Quote Originally Posted by omaha View Post
    Human history WAS driven by such values. Its just the way things are.
    This is sheer nonsense! I would politely suggest you to open some anthropology books.

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    The value of which I speak is individuals maximizing their own utility.

    Everyone does it. Everyone always has. Everyone always will. Its just our nature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by omaha View Post
    The value of which I speak is individuals maximizing their own utility.
    I've encountered many in my life who seem intent on minimizing their own utility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moopheus View Post
    I've encountered many in my life who seem intent on minimizing their own utility.
    Cool. I'll abide...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moopheus View Post
    And ice cream. There's still ice cream.
    'pends where you live

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    Quote Originally Posted by omaha View Post
    The value of which I speak is individuals maximizing their own utility.

    Everyone does it. Everyone always has. Everyone always will. Its just our nature.
    This is the basic principle of utilitarian philosophy and rational-actor economics, and there's a lot of research in economics, primatology, and anthropology that takes issue with it.

    This isn't very on-topic for "industry news", I guess, but there's an interesting monograph by David Graeber called _Fragments Of An Anarchist Anthropology_---it's available as a free PDF download, I believe---that includes some analysis of the countervailing anthropological evidence. (He's a polemicist in some ways, of course, but he's also a competent academic anthropologist and a pretty good writer. Whether or not you agree with his thesis, the evidence he adduces for it is interesting.)

    It just doesn't work very well to try to explain social-animal behavior in terms of "individuals maximizing their own utility". By the time you get done defining "individuals", "maximizing", "their own", and "utility" in ways that are meaningful in that context, the phrase doesn't mean anything like what it sounds like at first blush, and you might as well have started from a whole different framing.

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    I'm glad I'm educated enough to know that a certain amount of my education is baloney.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Smith View Post
    If Victor Hasselblad were alive today he would turn in his grave!


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    if victor hasselblad was alive, he wouldn' be in a grave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by visualbassist View Post
    if victor hasselblad was alive, he wouldn' be in a grave.
    Yes... It's a very old joke!


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