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    Great news for sure, now I think the real work can begin in terms of market identification and marketing for film.

    But....I hear a lot of talk of Kodak working to make film at a smaller and sustainable scale. The film is still going to be coated at Building 38 in Rochester, not at a new facility. As far as I know, it takes a huge amount of leader and tail to make the total of one mile of 54" wide un-slit film.....that goes for *each* emulsion type and then all over again for the thicker sheet film versions.

    So Ron ( Photo Engineer ) correct me if I am wrong, but as long as KPP has to have the film coated in building 38, there is no smaller scale as is being enthusiastically implied here by several. I hope I am wrong, because a smaller scale would be far more ideal, like Ilford is able to do. But you and I were both in Rochester that rainy day in 2009 and I saw first hand what that complex operation looked like....as I recall, it was not built for short runs, maybe it can be re-tooled? I don't know, but that is the next question really, once Kodak has satisfied the 2015 motion picture film contracts, what happens next and how does that expected drop in the demand for film products overall play into the viability of the films we all love to buy and use if they still need to coat it a mile at a time?
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    Un-bankrupt is that something like undead I am happy for Kodak and I hope they can get rid of their Nosferatu who sucks the company dry meaning Count Perez and his Vampire friends. Garlic in the Filmcoating might help :-)

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    Perez has already been reported as on his way out. That being said, fear any CEO of any type.
    Stop worrying about grain, resolution, sharpness, and everything else that doesn't have a damn thing to do with substance.

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    Then maybe Kodak's employees should stockpile garlic, stakes, crosses, etc.. for future use against corporate Nosferatu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Nadvornick View Post
    The system of private capital markets that we have today is probably the greatest impediment to the creation of sustainably profitable companies that could possibly exist. Had one started out with a goal of designing the worst possible model, one could have done no worse than sketching Wall Street across one's lunch napkin.

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    I don't recall ever reading anything else about this online that I agree with as much as this. Spot on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thegman View Post
    My feelings exactly. Presumably Kodak sells a lot more film than Ilford, probably rather a lot more, and Ilford can make it work. Efke, Impossible Project, Foma, maybe Ferrania too. If Kodak can cut away the BS and run as a private entity without caring what The Street thinks, then this may be the best thing to have happened to film for a long time.
    As another poster points out, Efke is not a good example as they are already gone. Of course they were making film with poor QC on equipment basically held together with duct tape and baling wire, but it (and even more so the paper) will be missed none the less.

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    It's still not a guarantee of sustainability unfortunately, case-in-point Efke. A tiny change in the market, customers and/or suppliers, or just a big bill for equipment repairs can sink the whole boat.

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    Great news! Long live Tri-X!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RattyMouse View Post
    Will the whole movie world really stop using film in 2015? I find that impossible to believe. There must be an endless number of movie studios world wide and now that Fuji is out of the business, only Kodak makes film for all these studios. Surely a large percentage will be using film after 2015.
    If they're willing to pay for the costs, perhaps that's not an unreasonable prospect.

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    Although from an energy standpoint, digital in itself is becoming quite the drain, now consuming about 5% of the US energy. Data centers, transferring of data, storage, backup, etc etc etc - and it will only get worse.
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    Someone wondered where the UK pension-plans products would be made. When the deal went through (as widely discussed here I think) it was stated that the film materials would be made by Kodak at Rochester as before, and so the UK pension-plan has a supply-contract with the 'unbankrupt' Kodak. They cannot make anything themselves, in some spare garage with a dozen Kodak-pensioners round a table
    Last edited by MartinP; 08-21-2013 at 08:41 AM. Click to view previous post history. Reason: Noted "film materials" in Rochester. RA4 could be done in Harrow, UK, if the volume was small enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinP View Post
    ...the UK pension-plan...cannot make anything themselves...
    That is incorrect. When the deal is consummated, around September 1, the new film marketing/distribution company will not only purchase film from Kodak in Rochester to re-sell, it will also own the Harrow plant that still makes color paper. It could theoretically decide (if and when the still undisclosed terms of the agreement allow) to begin making film at Harrow as well. What those films would be like, and how closely they would resemble current Kodak films, if at all, is not knowable at this time.

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