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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatchetman View Post
    Central Camera in Chicago has been waiting for weeks for some Kodak chemicals to come in. They are pretty much out of everything. Not sure if this is related to the aforementioned problems with film supply.
    On the other hand, B&H, which has been typically receiving around 200 packages of XTOL and selling them fairly quickly, recently got in a much larger shipment. As I type this there are 618 packages in stock:

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    “You seek escape from pain. We seek the achievement of happiness. You exist for the sake of avoiding punishment. We exist for the sake of earning rewards. Threats will not make us function; fear is not our incentive. It is not death that we wish to avoid, but life that we wish to live.” - John Galt

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    That's how I sound when I'm aggravated.
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    I use that sound at work a LOT.

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    — Diane Arbus, March 15, 1971, in response to a request for a brief statement about photographs

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneNYC View Post
    I'm not saying SOME of the followers aren't real kodak shooters, but certainly this shit is mostly boring... and they only have 9,800 followers... many of the models I talk to have more followers than that...
    I choose to not use Twitter, but here are some thoughts on it:

    The Ilford Photo twitter page has about 1,000 more followers than Kodak and while they do have more of a variety of posts including photos, they also emerged from re-structuring 10 years ago, so the following they have on twitter is indicative of a following in general in that I suspect Ilford followers have felt more "safe"....the photo world was hugely different 10 years ago compared to now, things have settled for Ilford Harman.

    Stone, can't you just start posting images to the Kodak Twitter then? I mean, what is the technical difference between posting to the Kodak or the Ilford one? Ilford's Twitter feed is lively because of the people who contribute to it, if we stand around waiting for folks to show up to the Kodak one without making our own contributions, then we are part of the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PKM-25 View Post
    I choose to not use Twitter, but here are some thoughts on it:

    The Ilford Photo twitter page has about 1,000 more followers than Kodak and while they do have more of a variety of posts including photos, they also emerged from re-structuring 10 years ago, so the following they have on twitter is indicative of a following in general in that I suspect Ilford followers have felt more "safe"....the photo world was hugely different 10 years ago compared to now, things have settled for Ilford Harman.

    Stone, can't you just start posting images to the Kodak Twitter then? I mean, what is the technical difference between posting to the Kodak or the Ilford one? Ilford's Twitter feed is lively because of the people who contribute to it, if we stand around waiting for folks to show up to the Kodak one without making our own contributions, then we are part of the problem.
    Well were talking about two different things, I was simply referencing Kodak as the fact that they only had a Twitter page, Twitter is sort of like blogging at this point no one really does it anymore, and I'm not saying people don't go on Twitter they do often, but everything is cyclical and it's not the hottest thing anymore it's old, heck Instagram is pretty much at the end of its most popular lifespan, vine is the next thing, it's always changing me think about it 10 years ago everyone had a blog know how often do you really read blogs? And certainly the people 30 and under don't really spend any time reading blogs, and sure they're probably on Twitter little bit but not as much, I know more people who use Instagram and they do Twitter.

    Anyway I'm sort of getting off track here my point was simply that Kodak only had a Twitter and didn't have an Instagram Instagram being the thing that is the most photo oriented of the social media networks out there... So it's sort of like a duh moment.. Why don't they have one?

    Also your comment about Twitter doesn't make sense, Twitter is something that you post on your own feet, you can @ ("at")someone to get there attention, and sometimes others that follow them will see you're @, but it's not quite the same thing as them "re-tweeting" your post of an image, which is what they should be doing, rewarding people for using their products through attention, contests, etc, like TIP (The Impossible Project) does on their Instagram.

    People would rather look at images then they would read many sentences that's why Instagram is so popular that's why photos are so popular you know the old saying the pictures worth 1000 words, well you only get 140 CHARACTERS on twitter... Unless you add a photo

    I'm also not saying that Ilford shouldn't do the same thing. In fact I've mentioned to Simon that I would love to be part of his product catalog is one of the images that they use as examples of how amazing Ilford is, I've just been bad about submitting things. But I think they should also do a contest like that why not "hey this month we'll pick one lucky winner's image to be on next years box of 4x5 Ilford film! Submit your photos today!"

    As I mentioned earlier it gets people shooting film, it gets people involved, and it gets people excited about the product, and best of all it doesn't cost the company anything. In fact they're getting free product advertising because the people submitting also have their own group of followers and those followers will see the images of Milford film and then they might be tempted to try some too, AND they get a free stock image that they don't have to pay for to put on a box, although I don't think they pay for those images anyway, it's still something to mention.

    Ok that was a lot, and repetitive, sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneNYC View Post
    Also your comment about Twitter doesn't make sense, Twitter is something that you post on your own feet, you can @ ("at")someone to get there attention, and sometimes others that follow them will see you're @, but it's not quite the same thing as them "re-tweeting" your post of an image, which is what they should be doing, rewarding people for using their products through attention, contests, etc, like TIP (The Impossible Project) does on their Instagram.

    AND they get a free stock image that they don't have to pay for to put on a box, although I don't think they pay for those images anyway, it's still something to mention.
    The first paragraph...which comment I made does not make sense?

    The second one, good god Stone, I would think you would be the last one to advocate rights grabs. If they do a contest, they should do it for wholly good reasons, that people are entering it to show how good their product is, that should be enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PKM-25 View Post
    The first paragraph...which comment I made does not make sense?

    The second one, good god Stone, I would think you would be the last one to advocate rights grabs. If they do a contest, they should do it for wholly good reasons, that people are entering it to show how good their product is, that should be enough.
    About the Twitter comment, you basically said that someone could post ON their (kodak) Twitter feed, but it doesn't work like that you simply post AT them and potentially they could choose to re-tweet it onto their Twitter feed, but it's not something that you as a follower can actively put on their feed / page it's something that they would have to choose to put on their feed.

    Yes of course obviously I think that it's important for photographers shooting stock to get paid for their work, however this is simply an example of the way things work now and something about our times, you'll have to ask Simon if I'm correct, however any of the images that they use I believe are from generous photographers who simply want to show their work and are proud of Iilford, and are not paid for images. However there is value in having a credit on every single box of Ilford film going out for an entire year or for your image to be put into their catalog as an example, and again your name credited underneath, that's huge advertising and is mutually beneficial to both of you.

    Either way it would happen regardless even if no photographers that were professionals submitted the photos, it's the way things work now. I wasn't saying it was good for us, but it's good for film which in turn is good for us. It's all a balance...
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    We did do a competition a few years ago with APUG where 4 APUG member images where chosen to go on an ILFORD / APUG branded box.

    We are extremely carefull to recognise and negotiate for the photographers rights in relation to all images we use in our promotional and packaging materials....'image rights are customer rights' as far as we are concerned ( and always will be ).

    Simon ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology Limited



 

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