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    Quote Originally Posted by f8&bthere View Post
    While there is no question that digital projection will become ubiquitous [the economics of film versus digital projection make it inevitable] I suspect that movies will for many years to come continue to be shot and archived using film stock.
    You yourself had it about the critical mass.
    Agfa left that cine camera-film segment long ago, long before digital capture was an issue. Recently Fuji left that field too, with only Kodak remaining on that section.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Photo Engineer View Post
    The economics is simple. Let older trained people train younger people who are paid less. Then lay off the older people and have a smaller payroll and lower individual pay!

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    When stated that way, it makes good business sense however, many of the PT will leave the first chance they get for a FT job. Over time, the loyalty of the work force will go down. JMHO
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    Quote Originally Posted by fotch View Post
    ...however, many of the PT will leave the first chance they get for a FT job...
    So what? There are plenty more part timers where they came from. Also, where are all those full time jobs that part timers can leave for? Third world countries?

    Quote Originally Posted by fotch View Post
    ...Over time, the loyalty of the work force will go down...
    Over the last decades, loyalty of employees has tracked corporations' declining loyalty to their work forces. Seems fair and balanced to me.

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    The surprising thing is that while Kodak seems to continue to shrink, Ilford seems to be expanding. More surprising, they are doing it with only b&w.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Two23 View Post
    The surprising thing is that while Kodak seems to continue to shrink, Ilford seems to be expanding. More surprising, they are doing it with only b&w.

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    Then Ferrania are about to restart production, Fotoimpex/Adox introduce lost products, Foma films & papers are now very widely available.

    Part of the problem is peoples perceptions, I spoke to a photographer last week who thought Kodak had ceased trading. If Kodak Alaris re-build the marketing and distribution of Kodak films then they should regain some of their market share. You need to look at why some people switched away from Kodak films, in my case it was lack of availability of Kodak B&W while living & travelling, in Turkey, Chile, Peru etc, Ilford and Foma films were easy to find as were the odd rolls of Fuji, Kodak non existent.

    Part of the restructuring under Kodak Alaris will be to make the company healthy & profitable and that will inevitably mean job losses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Two23 View Post
    The surprising thing is that while Kodak seems to continue to shrink, Ilford seems to be expanding. More surprising, they are doing it with only b&w.
    I only got to know of employees being laid off. No growth in number.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Grant View Post
    Then Ferrania are about to restart production, Fotoimpex/Adox introduce lost products, Foma films & papers are now very widely available.
    You can count those new employees at your hands. Insignificant in number to what have been laid off at the industry, which once employed tenthousands of people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Two23 View Post
    Ilford seems to be expanding.
    I wonder what their total employment is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Two23 View Post
    The surprising thing is that while Kodak seems to continue to shrink, Ilford seems to be expanding. More surprising, they are doing it with only b&w.


    Kent in SD
    I am sure that Ilford has weathered the economic storm and its future is reasonably bright but can you give us evidence of expansion and if it has then in what terms has it? A few years ago Ilford had to lose I think somewhere between 40 and 80 employees due to the recession. As a percentage of its workforce this was quite large. Much larger in percentage terms than the current Kodak loss of personnel.

    Has Ilford since then hired again? Maybe someone can tell us


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    Quote Originally Posted by Prof_Pixel View Post
    I wonder what their total employment is.
    In many ways that's irrelevant, what has been happening with all manufacturers is a streamlining to cut overheads, the new management of Kodak Alaris may have a different viewpoint to the Carpet-baggers who ruined Kodak and lined their own pockets.

    From our points of view we need to emphasise the positives, Kodak is still making film but the new management has to make some major changes to revitalise their market position, that will inevitably mean a turnover of the work force, better use of existing staff will mean job losses but potentially a far more viable company.

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