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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Nadvornick View Post
    when the current EK contract for large volume MP runs out and it's time to sell or dismantle the manufacturing infrastructure, will KA be interested in buying and operating it?
    I think that's exactly right.

    EK was set up to serve a market about 99,999 times bigger than the market that currently exists.

    From what I can gather, Ilford has found a niche for B&W products, and is "right sized" to the reality of the level of sales that currently exists.

    The question is whether this new Kodak cum Kodak Alaris model is similarly "right sized". Personally, I doubt it. Even if, in the reasonably near future, Kodak decides to get out of film manufacturing and offers to sell off all the equipment and IP, my sense is that everything about how they produce the product is scaled wrong for the future.
    I shoot digital when I have to (most of those shots end up here) and film (occasionally one of those shots ends up here) when I want to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by omaha View Post
    The question is whether this new Kodak cum Kodak Alaris model is similarly "right sized". Personally, I doubt it. Even if, in the reasonably near future, Kodak decides to get out of film manufacturing and offers to sell off all the equipment and IP, my sense is that everything about how they produce the product is scaled wrong for the future.
    The example of the current state of affair at Ferrania shows that there might be a chance for small scale production even on the premises of a large plant. Of course this very much depends on the local situation which is very beneficial at the Ferrania plant.

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    We need to remember that Kodak Alaris is already "right" sized for current markets for Kodak colour paper. It may be that their intention is to devote substantial efforts to preserving and revitalizing that market.
    They do, after all, actually manufacture that product.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MattKing View Post
    We need to remember that Kodak Alaris is already "right" sized for current markets for Kodak colour paper. It may be that their intention is to devote substantial efforts to preserving and revitalizing that market.
    They do, after all, actually manufacture that product.
    This does nothing to help Kodak film though, so I dont see how this can be of any comfort.

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    it means they coat silver halide emulsion... a big step to making a KA film eg a simple c41...

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    Ah, I get it now. Let's hope that this turns out to be true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RattyMouse View Post
    This does nothing to help Kodak film though, so I dont see how this can be of any comfort.
    It is a lot of comfort to me - I much prefer silver halide based colour prints to inkjet based colour prints.
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    I made the switch to Ilford when they announced that 8x10 TMY would become a special order item. I'm so glad I did. Kodak matters to me now about as much as Justin Beiber.
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    Quote Originally Posted by c6h6o3 View Post
    I made the switch to Ilford when they announced that 8x10 TMY would become a special order item. I'm so glad I did. Kodak matters to me now about as much as Justin Beiber.
    And this helps us users of Kodak film how?
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    Perhaps by giving some of those EK/KA people who reportedly secretly inhabit these forums an unvarnished look into the mind of an ex-Kodak film customer. And by extension, other ex-Kodak film customers as well.

    If KA is serious about wanting to use film sales to support those pensioners, this is exactly what they need to hear. One can't even begin to think about correcting a problem until one knows what that problem is. Here, one of their ex-customers is telling them exactly what his problem is. The problem that caused him to stop purchasing their 8x10 TMY product and switch to a competitor.

    I've said this before. That sort of market intelligence and feedback is priceless. It, and all of the other concerns raised here (and everywhere else) regarding Kodak-brand film, should be at the top of the agenda for the very next KA brainstorming session about how to increase film sales.

    If, of course, that's a valid part of what KA wants to continue doing.

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