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    Dan,

    I think you can easily recognize how forum participation here is doing you nothing but ill. It is very wise of you to move on, despite the fact that I've always enjoyed your posts. That you can see so clearly how your work suffers from how the atmosphere here affects you should power you through and find a new outlet to enjoy your craft.

    Best of luck to you in your well stated goals. I am sure that with hard work, very hard work, you will get there.

    Be well!

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    WTF what is wrong with APUG should be the name of a new thread. APUG is about promoting and sharing analogue photography and yet it seems that it has become a bash Kodak forum mixed with we're all gonna (film) die. I can relate to the defeatists up to a point, but honestly what is the point of APUG if this kind of thing is happening on this forum. We should promote film for our own interest, (the Apug gallery is honestly a useless tool in promoting film photography) if we don'T we'll lose it. Someone in this thread rightly said APUG is the friendlies and film should be promoted behind the enemies line.

    I am also sorry to see Dan go, this is wrong and shows that not all is good in APUG land.

    As for promotion I do use film and unfortunately digital as a pro but I try to use film whenever I can and try to get my client to go the film route. I also hold lectures about photography and film history and try to promote analogue photography there as well. I am also member of a 99% digital Photoclub and constantly use Film for the work I show there and try to get others members to the filmside. When I am shooting on the street or nature and people comment on the tools I use I try to promote film by stating it's advantages and the magic behind film.
    I also use thousands of feet of film per year which is the best kind of promotion I go out and shoot still and moving pictures with film.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PKM-25 View Post
    Both Thomas and I said we show prints and I know for a fact it gets people fired up, perhaps more so than looking at them on the web because they are looking at the finished product.
    I did just that last Saturday to a novice photographer and someone new to film photography. I showed my prints, and prints I had acquired from others to show different styles, and he is very keen on getting going. The very same day he went to the darkroom at the Minneapolis Photo Center to make contact prints of two sleeves full of negatives. In fact, I dropped him off there, and then I had five texts asking follow-up questions.

    I'm almost a little bit shocked by the amount of enthusiasm he is showing. Very rewarding to share like this for me too, to have such an impact on somebody else, positive impact.
    I am certain he will show darkroom photography in a good light to others, simply by sharing his prints, and to participate in the community.

    APUG can be a little too technical sometimes, but I also think that is because things you can measure are easier to discuss than things you can't measure. The artistic side of photography is much more difficult to discuss, but is probably also what is the key motivating force behind the greatest and most successful photographers. Here we tend to obsess way too much about technical aspects of photography, and hardly ever get into the actual art.
    Those who are more artistically inclined, and who care much less about the technical side of it, probably get disillusioned with APUG pretty fast.
    "Often moments come looking for us". - Robert Frank

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    I hate to see Dan go, he really knows his stuff. But he's right to stop using his time on anything that interferes with his life goals. I wish he hadn't had the temper tantrum and deleted all his stuff. It was really good.
    “You seek escape from pain. We seek the achievement of happiness. You exist for the sake of avoiding punishment. We exist for the sake of earning rewards. Threats will not make us function; fear is not our incentive. It is not death that we wish to avoid, but life that we wish to live.” - John Galt

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    I post to FM, I have probably 2000+ posts there. The alt forum is a good place. Mostly focused on small format but still, worth a visit. I've posted in that film thread. The only reason I haven't posted more there is I am too lazy to scan, and any digital representation is a pale imitation of the actual print, so it's almost not worth it anyway...

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    Quote Originally Posted by EdSawyer View Post
    I post to FM, I have probably 2000+ posts there. The alt forum is a good place. Mostly focused on small format but still, worth a visit. I've posted in that film thread. The only reason I haven't posted more there is I am too lazy to scan, and any digital representation is a pale imitation of the actual print, so it's almost not worth it anyway...
    I've seen you over there at FM! And it IS worth it, unless you think converting folks like over to film, (as my exposure to film via FM did) isnt worth it.

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    In terms of the 45,000 APUGers here a very small percentage have contributed to this thread. With respect to Dan who has forsaken APUG he seems to have left us based on the adverse effect a tiny percentage of the APUG membership have had on him.

    What he has removed, including himself, may have had the effect of damaging the very attraction of film to others as it has starved them of his contribution.

    Not what he'd have wanted, I suspect

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    It's a shame when a potential tidbit of knowledge for future search-engine googlers is lost when someone moves on. As for me I hope I've caused some photographic jewels of credible knowledge to show up fro time to time. Just as my way of paying back for what Ive managed to learn. I'm sure I'll move on too at some point when I have gleaned and winnowed as many tidbits as theyre currently are. There comes a time when you've eaten up all the food, and just lay off and let it accumulate back up. Not sure what I've contributed qualitywise was the best out there at all, but I can hope so.

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    As someone who went from full digital to 50-50, I have to say it's stupid that people argue the internet wont convert people.
    The internet is a means of education, interaction -why wouldnt it convert? I saw the link RattyMouse directed to and the pics of Nepal - 'nuff's? Are wonderful advertisements of analog colour photography.
    Why wouldnt that excite anyone who loves colour? That might even convert a few to film usage.
    I am a convert to film after reading about it and seeing the results on the internet. Sure, dont put up stuff on the net or whatever, but the reasoning that only prints will work - well, if I'm a million miles away from good printers and film prints, how are those prints which are millions of times better than digital representation going to convert me? They aren't. The internet cuts that gap -and thank God forthose people who have put up photos online. If it weren'tfor them, I would've been continually sucked into the digital upgrade every year cycle.

    (art galleries only worked for me in the film promotion department AFTER I started using film, not before. Who knew what a transparency or 6x6 or 4x5 was?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by analoguey View Post
    As someone who went from full digital to 50-50, I have to say it's stupid that people argue the internet wont convert people.
    The internet is a means of education, interaction -why wouldnt it convert? I saw the link RattyMouse directed to and the pics of Nepal - 'nuff's? Are wonderful advertisements of analog colour photography.
    Why wouldnt that excite anyone who loves colour? That might even convert a few to film usage.
    I am a convert to film after reading about it and seeing the results on the internet. Sure, dont put up stuff on the net or whatever, but the reasoning that only prints will work - well, if I'm a million miles away from good printers and film prints, how are those prints which are millions of times better than digital representation going to convert me? They aren't. The internet cuts that gap -and thank God forthose people who have put up photos online. If it weren'tfor them, I would've been continually sucked into the digital upgrade every year cycle.

    (art galleries only worked for me in the film promotion department AFTER I started using film, not before. Who knew what a transparency or 6x6 or 4x5 was?!

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    Thanks, and yes they are my photos, someone was using my nick, so I had to choose a different one. It was from my first analogue holiday.

    And what you say I couldn't agree more. How are people supposed to see the million times better prints which are hidden in someone's closet. They will not. People don't stalk stranger's closets any more. They use internet.

    And I can imagine being in an emerging market like India there's no film there. There was none in Nepal! Thankfully I brought a whole lot of me. This is photo of only half of the film I took with me. I had another bag with more BW 120, 35mm and and instax film for the locals.
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