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    Really, I do NOT think it is a good idea to join up with yet another online forum about film. To what purpose? The critically important thing is to concentrate your efforts away from the keyboard by actually photographing, whether it be with film or digital — I don't damn well care. Online forums are time wasters. How many of you have actually sold photographic work(s) in the last week!? A lot of film shown on a forum does not to me equate to a lot of photography: how much of it is actually printed, framed and sold?

    I will leave Fred Miranda to his jabbering keyboard jockeys. I have photography to do. And plenty of it.

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    :-)
    Thank you for that reminder.
    Back to the camera then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poisson Du Jour View Post
    Really, I do NOT think it is a good idea to join up with yet another online forum about film. To what purpose? The critically important thing is to concentrate your efforts away from the keyboard by actually photographing, whether it be with film or digital — I don't damn well care. Online forums are time wasters. How many of you have actually sold photographic work(s) in the last week!? A lot of film shown on a forum does not to me equate to a lot of photography: how much of it is actually printed, framed and sold?

    I will leave Fred Miranda to his jabbering keyboard jockeys. I have photography to do. And plenty of it.
    Well... you do have enough posts here to prove your point

    How I spend most of my time is learning about photography. That's by studying art, photos, the non-technical side of it etc... I also do take photos, but I'm not going to until the next 2 nights...

    Selling photos? I don't, I have a day job which pays for it. Getty asked me for some of mine, but I'm not interested.

    Forums are a side thing and time waster. It's especially handy one on a bus/train since my commute is 1.5 hours long.

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    There is always more that unites us than divides us....

    Be passionate, never prejudiced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poisson Du Jour View Post
    Really, I do NOT think it is a good idea to join up with yet another online forum about film.
    FredMiranda.com is not a film forum. It's 99% digital. There just happens to be a small bunch of film users there who maintain a presence.

    Quote Originally Posted by Poisson Du Jour View Post
    To what purpose?
    I explained quite clearly in my original post what the purpose was. Did you miss that or just not read the first post?

    Quote Originally Posted by Poisson Du Jour View Post
    The critically important thing is to concentrate your efforts away from the keyboard by actually photographing, whether it be with film or digital — I don't damn well care. Online forums are time wasters. How many of you have actually sold photographic work(s) in the last week!? A lot of film shown on a forum does not to me equate to a lot of photography: how much of it is actually printed, framed and sold?

    I will leave Fred Miranda to his jabbering keyboard jockeys. I have photography to do. And plenty of it.
    Funny, you seem to be here writing this post. To show someone film at FM, here is what it takes.

    1. Go to the alt. forum at FM.
    2. Click New Topic.
    3. Type the name of the film and camera. (Optional)
    4. Paste link of image.
    5. Hit post.

    Takes about 10 seconds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PKM-25 View Post
    ...I am...DONE here...I am deleting my gallery and signing out for good...
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    ...good night and good light.
    This leads to two questions:
    1. Will Dan be back, yet again?
    2. How many of Dan's "grand exit" posts will Sean allow? I'll not bother searching the archive to find his earlier ones, but they are manifold.

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    For the record...

    Dan and I have been in contact outside of APUG after this thread wound down. Everything is fine between us. He's a very focused individual who takes what he does very seriously. As are we all in each of our respective professional fields.

    Because of this it turned out not to be my "taunting" characterization that bothered him so much as the implication that professional photography was somehow not the degree-of-difficulty equal of some other professions. While I still believe that characterization to be true, I do understand the nature of the offense taken.

    I am also quick to point out that I recognize what I do for a living has no corner on the difficulty market either. It too is also easily eclipsed by many other more difficult fields populated by those who are much smarter than I. Such is the nature of random distributions. There can be only one most-difficult and one least-difficult. All the rest of us are lumped somewhere in between.

    At least in my ideal world, everyone here would feel free to argue their contrasting points of view strongly. Challenge each other's assertions. Give logic and evidence to support their own. Go at it tooth-and-nail as an academic exercise.

    But at the end of the day still respect each other and each other's differing opinions strongly enough to shake hands and walk away when it's over without any residual hard feelings or anger. In such an ideal world Ignore lists would never be required.

    This is where Dan and I currently are.

    Ken
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    — Amanda Tomlin, Looking Glass Magazine, 2014

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    Sometimes I think Dan looks like APUG as something like a dinner with extended family.

    You want to attend, and get really frustrated when you do .

    All of us have different opinions about how best to help film. Some of those opinions overlap. And some involve criticizing how others are handling things.

    To my mind, the biggest thing that Kodak Alaris could do to help Kodak film (and chemicals, and colour paper) is to fix the distribution system, so people could be sure about finding product on the shelves of stores and websites of internet retailers when we go to look for it.

    That includes re-establishing the dealer support resources that dealers and end-users need.

    And that is really time consuming, backroom work, not easy to promote to the end-user customer.

    Once there is improvement there, it makes sense to promote to the end-user customer.

    I think there are some signs of this happening. I was in Lens & Shutter's main Vancouver store yesterday. They had newly packaged (in Germany) Kodak T-Max developer, as well as good stock of other, new Kodak darkroom chemicals. As I understand it, the retailers around here have been having problems obtaining inventory of Kodak darkroom chemicals. I hope this is a sign of a positive change.

    I didn't think to ask about film.
    Matt

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    Ansel Adams, from the introduction to The Negative - The New Ansel Adams Photography Series / Book 2

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    The guy at Denver ProPhoto told me the other day that their 2013 film sales were double 2012.
    “You seek escape from pain. We seek the achievement of happiness. You exist for the sake of avoiding punishment. We exist for the sake of earning rewards. Threats will not make us function; fear is not our incentive. It is not death that we wish to avoid, but life that we wish to live.” - John Galt

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    Quote Originally Posted by PKM-25 View Post
    there is a really bad vibe here at times, people would rather blast Kodak than promote film.
    The vibe of any internet forum or internet comment area is determined by what you decide to focus on. Reminds me of story a Buddhist monk mentioned. He built a wall using 1,000 bricks, and at the end he realized a brick was not right. He felt the entire wall was ruined by this, yet another monk said to him "why focus on that one brick when 999 bricks are perfect?". We spend a lot of time looking at the one crooked brick when there is so much around us that is good. With over 68,000 registered here, never let a few vocal characters weigh you down or dictate the vibe you get. Focus on those participating in a positive way, the rest should be water off a duck's back, ignored or "don't feed the trolls". Just my 2c

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