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    Quote Originally Posted by omaha View Post
    Ilford gives me hope for what the world of film will be like in the future: Niche manufacturers, highly responsive to a dedicated customer base.

    It seems like the writing is on the wall with Kodak. KA's goals and management don't seem aligned with film over the long term. My hope is that when the time comes that KA exits the market, it is done in such a way that an Ilford-style company is able to take over some of their product line.

    I hope whoever that is chooses to follow Ilford's model.
    Whomever follows in the footsteps of Kodak will HAVE to follow Ilford's model. There's no other proven way to sell film profitably.

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    Been an Ilford user sine the '80s. Nice to see them thrive by a solid product followed up by innovative and sharp thinking.

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    I'm really pleased they're doing well and will keep buying plenty of their film and chemicals...

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    Quote Originally Posted by vdonovan View Post
    .... Interestingly, 35mm film sales are flat, but Ilford is seeing steady growth in medium and large format film. In printing paper, RC paper sales are flat, but there is growth in fiber papers, which is where they've launched new products.

    I'm not at all surprised. The future of B&W imaging isn't in 'amateur products' like 35mm film and RC paper but rather, in products designed for the more committed photographers.

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    Most of the greatest pictures (since the 30s) have been taken on 35mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chip j View Post
    Most of the greatest pictures (since the 30s) have been taken on 35mm.
    35mm photography is the format most likely to go digital.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prof_Pixel View Post
    35mm photography is the format most likely to go digital.
    The medium format film camera companies are all out of business,

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    Quote Originally Posted by djhurley92 View Post
    Yeah I know I did imply it was an unrealistic pipe dream. But I wasn't suggesting they'd design or manufacture it anyway.

    Hassalblad have sold rebadged and minimally modified Fuji cameras, and most of Leica's cheaper digitals are rebadged Panasonics in a different shell with different firmware.

    Ilford themselves buy their digital printers from Fuji, specially modified to print black and white only and to a considerably higher standard than otherwise. It would be theoretically possible to do the same with a camera, like how leica modified a normal colour sensor to produce the monochrom.

    I was just saying it'd be cool, and a possible niche for them that would be immune to future declining film demand. I'm not at all deluding myself that it will happen though, don't worry!

    You are suggesting that the one successful B&W film maker, which is fully committed to analog - should go digital, ala on the lines of Kodak?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chip j View Post
    The medium format film camera companies are all out of business,
    So?

    Their existing cameras will last a very long time and there's no shortage of spares. Lots of people use Graflex products and it's been gone for how long?

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    Quote Originally Posted by summicron1 View Post
    So?

    Their existing cameras will last a very long time and there's no shortage of spares. Lots of people use Graflex products and it's been gone for how long?
    My point was that digital wiped out med format first.

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