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    Quote Originally Posted by Photo Engineer View Post
    This is such a long thread that I have not kept up with it, but I have a point to make after skimming it.

    You see, what Harman is doing is almost exactly what Kodak is doing, but in a slightly different direction. Kodak has changed Kodak Park into Kodak Industrial Park and they are renting out space to businesses and demolishing old and unused buildings to make room for new construction.

    There is a striking parallel to these two companies actions, but with the direction of one being "consumer" and the other being "industrial".

    And it seems to me that no one is getting rich on either plan. It is a method of staying "even" or just moving ahead with some degree of usable "profit".

    PE
    Well said and good point, I bet that will make Dan happy too, to have others see it in that light. Thanks PE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sal Santamaura View Post
    Alleged current market value of homes purchased long ago doesn't necessarily mean their owners are "rich."
    Of course. Don't take me too literally.

    I'm just saying that values here never reached those heights, and have fallen from there. They were on the rebound and now have turned back down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Photo Engineer View Post
    This is such a long thread that I have not kept up with it, but I have a point to make after skimming it.

    You see, what Harman is doing is almost exactly what Kodak is doing, but in a slightly different direction. Kodak has changed Kodak Park into Kodak Industrial Park and they are renting out space to businesses and demolishing old and unused buildings to make room for new construction.

    There is a striking parallel to these two companies actions, but with the direction of one being "consumer" and the other being "industrial".

    And it seems to me that no one is getting rich on either plan. It is a method of staying "even" or just moving ahead with some degree of usable "profit".

    PE
    “The Eastman Business Park in Rochester is integral to the region’s economic future,” said Empire State Development President, CEO & Commissioner Kenneth Adams. “I am pleased that with Governor Cuomo’s leadership and this new partnership between New York State and the EBP Bioscience Manufacturing Center, the park is receiving the short and long-term support it needs to become a major economic driver in Monroe County.”

    Significant progress has been made in resolving the obstacles to the Eastman Business Park’s future growth, enabling it to attract new companies and helping meet the goal of creating 1,800 jobs over the next five years at the site. In 2013, Kodak and the state agreed to a global settlement that addressed environmental legacy issues at the site; the Park’s utility systems were acquired, ensuring stability for the Park’s tenants; and Kodak emerged from bankruptcy and committed to maintain significant operations and jobs at the site. The FLREDC believes the Park has turned a corner and is ready to become one of the nation’s preeminent industrial parks for technological innovation.

    Eastman Business Park (EBP), formerly Kodak Park, is a massive 1,200 acre technology and industrial complex that spans from the City of Rochester into the Town of Greece in Monroe County. EBP has more than one million square feet of manufacturing, laboratory and warehouse space with infrastructure systems that put it among the top industrial sites in the eastern United States. Under Governor Cuomo, more than $90 million has been committed and invested by New York State to attract dozens of new companies that are transforming EBP into a diverse hub for research and development (R&D) and high tech manufacturing. The park now has 48 companies with more than 6,500 employees, most of which are non-Kodak jobs.

    https://www.governor.ny.gov/press/02...-business-park

    http://www.eastmanbusinesspark.com/

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    Well, NIMBYs ("not in my backyard") apparently contributed to a long delay of the project that would consolidate HARMAN's Mobberley facilities. July came and went with no approval. The latest provisional date for a decision by the Cheshire East Council is November 12:


    I don't know whether, if the proposal is approved, there would be a day-for-day slip, but the development will definitely take longer than notional schedules associated with the planning package.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon R Galley View Post
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    As people you have been on the ILFORD tours in the past will tell you, the factory as it is now ( and actually since the early 1990's ) is far, far too big and needs maintaining and heating, this will further improve our profitability as well as our carbon footprint.

    We have always planned a smaller footprint, hopefully this will now happen over the next few years.

    Simon ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology LImited :
    Interesting...

    So Ilford is "doing a Ferrania" and trying to assemble a rightly-sized factory, to be able to produce film in a profitable and sustanaible way, from here to "the day in which all Nikon F cameras stop working" (i estimate this to happen in 400 years, more or less.)

    And Ferrania is "doing an Ilford" in the way they are getting close to the customers and actively listening them.

    Future looks bright. I think i'll drink one glass of champagne to celebrate. And use another roll of HP5+, the swiss army knife of films.

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    Not quite. Simon so far only refered to size reduction of the premises, not of the machinery.

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    Size is relative

    The Ilford No14 coating machine is capable of both coating paper and film and is not on the scale of the machines of Kodak. I suspect it is around the size Ferrania will match, at least in width. Without having the details from Ferrania and relying on the movies posted their machine is not only wider but has considerably more "downstream" drying and post coating steps, and again without being an expert I suspect this is related to the production of colour materials.
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    Hello Chris,

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Livsey View Post
    Size is relative
    The Ilford No14 coating machine is capable of both coating paper and film and is not on the scale of the machines of Kodak. I suspect it is around the size Ferrania will match, at least in width.
    the size differences are not so big as lots of people think. The coating machines of the major manufacturers have a comparable coating width.
    According to Robert Shanebrooks excellent book "Making Kodak Film" the net coating width of the coating machine in Building 38 is 54" (about 1,35 meter). The master rolls are up to 11,000 feet long.
    The net coating width of the Ilford coating machine is 1,42 meter. The length of the "parent rolls" (that is the term Ilford use) is up to 2500 meters.
    The coating machines at Agfa (Leverkusen and Mortsel) and Ferrania ("big boy") have (had) similar widths.

    One of the big coating machines from the Agfa Leverkusen factory in Germany is now working at InovisCoat in Monheim, Germany.
    This machine was modernised and a bit scaled down. Now it has a coating width of net 1,08 meters.
    It is used for both BW and colour, and both film and paper.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Livsey View Post
    Without having the details from Ferrania and relying on the movies posted their machine is not only wider but has considerably more "downstream" drying and post coating steps, and again without being an expert I suspect this is related to the production of colour materials.
    The main difference between the Ilford coating machine, and Ferranias big coating machine is that Ilford has five slots (five layers can be coated in one coating run), and the Ferrania coating machine has nine slots.
    Five slots are enough for high-quality BW, but not enough for high-quality colour film.

    Best regards,
    Henning

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henning Serger View Post
    Hello Chris,

    Best regards,
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    Henning your input greatly appreciated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Livsey View Post
    Henning your input greatly appreciated.
    Dear Chris,

    no problem at all, you're welcome.

    I've very much enjoyed the excellent Ilford Factory Tour last autumn with Simon being our guide.
    When all the very hard work of the next years is finished in Mobberley, and the new, modernised factory will be in full operation,
    maybe then Ilford will again offer a yearly factory tour.
    That would be awesome.

    Best regards,
    Henning



 

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