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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon R Galley View Post
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    As people you have been on the ILFORD tours in the past will tell you, the factory as it is now ( and actually since the early 1990's ) is far, far too big and needs maintaining and heating, this will further improve our profitability as well as our carbon footprint.

    We have always planned a smaller footprint, hopefully this will now happen over the next few years.

    Simon ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology LImited :
    Interesting...

    So Ilford is "doing a Ferrania" and trying to assemble a rightly-sized factory, to be able to produce film in a profitable and sustanaible way, from here to "the day in which all Nikon F cameras stop working" (i estimate this to happen in 400 years, more or less.)

    And Ferrania is "doing an Ilford" in the way they are getting close to the customers and actively listening them.

    Future looks bright. I think i'll drink one glass of champagne to celebrate. And use another roll of HP5+, the swiss army knife of films.

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    Not quite. Simon so far only refered to size reduction of the premises, not of the machinery.

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    Size is relative

    The Ilford No14 coating machine is capable of both coating paper and film and is not on the scale of the machines of Kodak. I suspect it is around the size Ferrania will match, at least in width. Without having the details from Ferrania and relying on the movies posted their machine is not only wider but has considerably more "downstream" drying and post coating steps, and again without being an expert I suspect this is related to the production of colour materials.
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    Hello Chris,

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Livsey View Post
    Size is relative
    The Ilford No14 coating machine is capable of both coating paper and film and is not on the scale of the machines of Kodak. I suspect it is around the size Ferrania will match, at least in width.
    the size differences are not so big as lots of people think. The coating machines of the major manufacturers have a comparable coating width.
    According to Robert Shanebrooks excellent book "Making Kodak Film" the net coating width of the coating machine in Building 38 is 54" (about 1,35 meter). The master rolls are up to 11,000 feet long.
    The net coating width of the Ilford coating machine is 1,42 meter. The length of the "parent rolls" (that is the term Ilford use) is up to 2500 meters.
    The coating machines at Agfa (Leverkusen and Mortsel) and Ferrania ("big boy") have (had) similar widths.

    One of the big coating machines from the Agfa Leverkusen factory in Germany is now working at InovisCoat in Monheim, Germany.
    This machine was modernised and a bit scaled down. Now it has a coating width of net 1,08 meters.
    It is used for both BW and colour, and both film and paper.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Livsey View Post
    Without having the details from Ferrania and relying on the movies posted their machine is not only wider but has considerably more "downstream" drying and post coating steps, and again without being an expert I suspect this is related to the production of colour materials.
    The main difference between the Ilford coating machine, and Ferranias big coating machine is that Ilford has five slots (five layers can be coated in one coating run), and the Ferrania coating machine has nine slots.
    Five slots are enough for high-quality BW, but not enough for high-quality colour film.

    Best regards,
    Henning

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henning Serger View Post
    Hello Chris,

    Best regards,
    Henning
    Henning your input greatly appreciated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Livsey View Post
    Henning your input greatly appreciated.
    Dear Chris,

    no problem at all, you're welcome.

    I've very much enjoyed the excellent Ilford Factory Tour last autumn with Simon being our guide.
    When all the very hard work of the next years is finished in Mobberley, and the new, modernised factory will be in full operation,
    maybe then Ilford will again offer a yearly factory tour.
    That would be awesome.

    Best regards,
    Henning

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sal Santamaura View Post
    Well, NIMBYs ("not in my backyard") apparently contributed to a long delay of the project that would consolidate HARMAN's Mobberley facilities. July came and went with no approval. The latest provisional date for a decision by the Cheshire East Council is November 12...
    Although Cheshire East Council's Web site has not yet been updated to reflect it, according to a NIMBY report


    today the Council rejected this site consolidation and residential development plan by a vote of eight to four. Apparently the developer has six weeks to decide whether to appeal or submit a revised plan.
    Last edited by Sal Santamaura; 11-12-2014 at 10:31 AM. Click to view previous post history.

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    My understanding is that Councils really need to have a duly approved plan in place for future development for things like housing. Once that is in place then they stand a chance of preventing housing development in a so-called piecemeal fashion by developers in areas not identified in the plan.

    However the way things are in the U.K. and the pressing need for more, in fact much more housing to satisfy people's needs then an appeal by the developer if there is no future development plan in place stands a very good chance of success. If the developer knows that its housing plan does not contravene a Council approved future development plan or that there is no such plan, given that Councils have had the time to put one in place then the developer is almost certain to appeal and very likely to win with costs given against the Council

    These days and given the stance of all three of the major political parties in the U.K. not building houses is frankly not an option from what I have seen.

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    A small town near here had a well known and respected girls' school dating back to the 1920's, well liked in the area and contributing to local employment and economy. A few years ago the school wanted to overcome financial problems by developing a small part of the unused grounds for quality housing.
    NIMBYs objected and prevented the plan.
    Result two years later.....school closed, part demolished, the whole site redeveloped into an elderly persons housing complex, with all facilities and services withing the private grounds, employing foreign rather than local staff, too expensive for local people, and (some have said) a "ghetto" which contributes nothing to the local area. Now the NIMBYs don't like this!

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    A more balanced report:
    http://www.knutsfordguardian.co.uk/n...ouncil/?ref=mr

    It was always going to be difficult to argue for that density of housing under the flight path to Manchester international Airport 1 mile out from the runway.
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