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    Quote Originally Posted by pdeeh View Post
    I'm not sure what purpose it serves to identify other people as "hipsters"; except perhaps to allow "serious photographers" to identify themselves as "serious" in contradistinction to those silly bearded tattooed dilettantes ... it all, sadly, feeds the tendency for derision and contempt of "the others" (those that aren't "us")

    it's just taking photographs. we don't need to be tribal about it
    im with you pdeeh
    too much us - them usually for divisive reasons.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Nadvornick View Post
    Did it ever occur to you that some "hipsters" (or any other variety of persons) might actually like being referred to as such? That they sense nothing pejorative in the reference?
    it is a negative connotation. you don't need to look far, is the way it is used on THIS site a negative or positive ?
    its like trying to put a positive spin on calling someone a " fashionista lomographer wannabee" or "jackasses with plastic cameras"
    cause that is the way it is usually used, even on this site, and it is not nice.

    and if you talk to people who like making and eating food who schmooze with celeb chefs / chefs they will tell you the same thing about the word "foodie", its a negative connotation.
    (yes i know chefs, and people who are involved in the supermarket / celeb-chef / restaurant industries)

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    You can't hold Rodchenko responsible for that manipulation of imagery.

    “The contemplation of things as they are, without error or confusion, without substitution or imposture, is in itself a nobler thing than a whole harvest of invention”

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnanian View Post
    it is a negative connotation.
    To you, John. Not to me. And neither of us can judge for anyone else. We just got done with this, remember?

    Just this last weekend I referred to a 55-something as an "aging hippy". The phrase was offered and received with a smile and a laugh, as a term of endearment.

    When choosing up sides in pickup basketball I often heard the phrase, "I'll take the big white guy who can't jump" from players of all races. I'm 6' 6" and 230 lbs. I'm white. And I can't get my feet 6 inches off the damned court. I loved it. And always shot back to the person saying it "Next time I want THAT guy on defense..." There was a good-natured pounding to be paid for that good-natured remark.

    It's a big world out there, John. Not everyone takes offense at everything.

    Back to the topic...

    What further thoughts do you have regarding David's observation?

    In a globalized world young (and some not-so-young) people are desperate to differentiate themselves in any way they can (not realizing that they already are different, by definition). Lo-fi film photography was one way to do that when all they knew was clinically perfect boring digital photography.

    But how long will that last before they are lured over to the more-shiny Next-Big-Thing? And then another Next-Big-Thing six months later? And what then happens to the rest of us with a longer-term interest in film?

    Ken
    Last edited by Ken Nadvornick; 06-22-2014 at 03:43 PM. Click to view previous post history.
    "When making a portrait, my approach is quite the same as when I am portraying a rock. I do not wish to impose my personality upon the sitter, but, keeping myself open to receive reactions from his own special ego, record this with nothing added: except of course when I am working professionally, when money enters in,—then for a price, I become a liar..."

    — Edward Weston, Daybooks, Vol. II, February 2, 1932

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    Ken, do you listen to Beethoven when playing your computer's keyboard...?....vigorously?

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    No, but I do listen Wagner sometimes in the darkroom...



    Ken
    "When making a portrait, my approach is quite the same as when I am portraying a rock. I do not wish to impose my personality upon the sitter, but, keeping myself open to receive reactions from his own special ego, record this with nothing added: except of course when I am working professionally, when money enters in,—then for a price, I become a liar..."

    — Edward Weston, Daybooks, Vol. II, February 2, 1932

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    Quote Originally Posted by PKM-25 View Post
    Really......?

    With all the amazing films we have at still amazing prices?
    To get my color negative films and or tranparency I have to order online. The nearest store to me is 40 miles and doesn't always have them in stock. There are only a few places around still do processing but a poor job. B&H won't ship me my RA-4 chemicals. And yes there is no PKM-25.

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    The local Lomography retailer that I'm most familiar with had for the longest time a sign above their Lomography display that read "No Photography Allowed".

    They are more of a gift or souvenir store than anything else.

    Glazer's in Seattle has a good approach. They have Holga and similar equipment in its own area - displayed in a manner similar to other specialty equipment and supplies. They also sponsor contests and otherwise promote to that portion of the market in a way that would be likely to draw customers into their store, where there are many other film based options.

    I think people who are interested in Lomography and the like are extremely unlikely to ask users of roll film cameras the classic question "Can you still get film for that?"

    The Large format users - they are on their own .
    Matt

    “Photography is a complex and fluid medium, and its many factors are not applied in simple sequence. Rather, the process may be likened to the art of the juggler in keeping many balls in the air at one time!”

    Ansel Adams, from the introduction to The Negative - The New Ansel Adams Photography Series / Book 2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Nadvornick View Post
    To you,.
    YAWN

    maybe you should read some of the nice things people here on apug have to say about "hipsters"

    http://www.apug.org/forums/search.php?searchid=3531752
    http://www.apug.org/forums/search.php?searchid=3531754
    http://www.apug.org/forums/forum37/1...lomo-mean.html

    --- whatever ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnanian View Post
    YAWN...
    And about David's topic?

    If the lo-fi film craze ends, there will likely be repercussions in the film marketplace.

    What do you think about that?

    Ken
    "When making a portrait, my approach is quite the same as when I am portraying a rock. I do not wish to impose my personality upon the sitter, but, keeping myself open to receive reactions from his own special ego, record this with nothing added: except of course when I am working professionally, when money enters in,—then for a price, I become a liar..."

    — Edward Weston, Daybooks, Vol. II, February 2, 1932

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chan Tran View Post
    To get my color negative films and or tranparency I have to order online. The nearest store to me is 40 miles and doesn't always have them in stock. There are only a few places around still do processing but a poor job. B&H won't ship me my RA-4 chemicals. And yes there is no PKM-25.
    The closest photo store to me is 200 miles away over two 12,000 mountain passes, I have had an account with B&H for 18 years, I can choose labs in Denver for my color work or just use Bluemoon or Praus. We lost PKM-25 and KM-25 over a decade ago...

    I'm a glass half full kinda guy, but to be fair, I shoot and print 90% black and white.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Nadvornick View Post
    And about David's topic?

    If the lo-fi film craze ends, there will likely be repercussions in the film marketplace.

    What do you think about that?
    I think it is a fruitless excercise to even guess because a number of these folks will stick with film even if they no longer are part of a fad.

    When we have something to worry about, then we will have something to worry about...
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