Originally Posted by Ken Nadvornick
what do i think about that?
ummm ... maybe there are better things to worry about ?
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Originally Posted by PKM-25
Based on almost nothing at all, I don't think the film business as a whole is life-and-death dependent on the "hipster" crowd. Lomography, sure, they're a cultural niche market and if shifting fashions destroy the niche they're in trouble. But I don't think Adox and Ilford are dependent on that niche; and sheet film, which is at least making enough money that people keep making the stuff, can't possibly be selling to casual users, can it?
Over-the-counter retail of film supplies is in trouble, which is a pain in the neck but I should think no surprise. (Hell, over-the-counter retail *everything* is in trouble.) But selling mainly online isn't an existential threat to the manufacturers, and it seems like a significant win in availability for those of us who don't live in major cities. Twenty years ago, how easy would it have been to get a box of 9x12 sheet film from some obscure manufacturer in the Czech Republic to Way Beyond Nowhere, Wyoming?
Tempest in a teapot, IMHO. And the article is just a couple of peels shy of an Onion in its level of navel-gazing.
 It's a term of contempt for a lot of people here, but I don't think that's universal. Among the actual younger folk with beards and tattoos and intentionally-obscure musical taste, it might be a little reductive but it doesn't seem to be fighting words.
 Some of that stuff is damn good, by the way. If you get a chance to see the terrifically named band ...And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Dead live, don't miss it.
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"obscure" is not the right term when it is actually about the ignorance if the potential buyer in Way Beyond Nowhere, Wyoming.
As someone who's interested in photography, all I can say that hipsters as they are called, make much more interesting photo subjects than a generic so called photographer would.
And like someone mentioned, some stuff coming out of the lomo cameras and hipsters is very creative.
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Hahaha. That was funny.
Originally Posted by pdeeh
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I'm actually a fan of the Lomography phenomenon, though I know that not everyone here is, and I can't deny that analogue photography has many subcultures.
Clearly, though, there's a market that dictates that Lomography stuff is being sold in non-photographic places like Urban Outfitter, which is great for now, but isn't going to last, and places like that wouldn't be selling cameras, if they weren't moving a significant quantity of product by their standards, which I suspect are fairly high.
Someone earlier in this thread claimed that one Urban Outfitter location (in CT) had already stopped carrying Lomo stuff. I've never been in one (in WA), so I don't know. I kicked around buying one of those Belairs just for fun, but then realized I could have a Sekonic L398A meter for less.
Originally Posted by David A. Goldfarb
Come to think of it, I don't think I've ever seen one of those Lomo cameras shown on their website out in the wild. Probably due to my age group.
"There is very limited audience for the arty stuff, and it is largely comprised of other arty types, most of whom have no money to spend because no one is buying their stuff either. More people bring their emotions to an image than bring their intellect. The former are the folks who have checkbooks because they are engineers, accountants, and bankers—and generally they are engineers, accountants and bankers because they are not artists."
— Amanda Tomlin, Looking Glass Magazine, 2014
I think the sales numbers we've had shared with us show that trendy twentysomethings aren't driving film sales singlehandedly. Kodak reported a 15% increase in pro film sales last year, and I can assure you that most of these kids are not loading Portra 800 into their Holgas. They buy Lomo branded film, they buy expired stuff on eBay, or they buy whatever's cheapest. 9/10 times I ask someone with a Lomo camera or an AE1 what they have loaded, they can't even give me an answer.
The Lawrence Welk show re runs are still on the air. "Hipsters" and their beloved Lomos exhibit "discovery of photography" . Also, for some there is a " gee whiz" factor. The little plastic cameras have shown they can be a very creative tool, as can a paint brush and an aerosol spray can.