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    Based on almost nothing at all, I don't think the film business as a whole is life-and-death dependent on the "hipster" crowd.[1] Lomography, sure, they're a cultural niche market and if shifting fashions destroy the niche they're in trouble. But I don't think Adox and Ilford are dependent on that niche; and sheet film, which is at least making enough money that people keep making the stuff, can't possibly be selling to casual users, can it?

    Over-the-counter retail of film supplies is in trouble, which is a pain in the neck but I should think no surprise. (Hell, over-the-counter retail *everything* is in trouble.) But selling mainly online isn't an existential threat to the manufacturers, and it seems like a significant win in availability for those of us who don't live in major cities. Twenty years ago, how easy would it have been to get a box of 9x12 sheet film from some obscure manufacturer in the Czech Republic to Way Beyond Nowhere, Wyoming?

    Tempest in a teapot, IMHO. And the article is just a couple of peels shy of an Onion in its level of navel-gazing.

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    [1] It's a term of contempt for a lot of people here, but I don't think that's universal. Among the actual younger folk with beards and tattoos and intentionally-obscure musical taste[2], it might be a little reductive but it doesn't seem to be fighting words.

    [2] Some of that stuff is damn good, by the way. If you get a chance to see the terrifically named band ...And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Dead live, don't miss it.
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    "obscure" is not the right term when it is actually about the ignorance if the potential buyer in Way Beyond Nowhere, Wyoming.

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    As someone who's interested in photography, all I can say that hipsters as they are called, make much more interesting photo subjects than a generic so called photographer would.

    And like someone mentioned, some stuff coming out of the lomo cameras and hipsters is very creative.

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    There we go, exactly what I'm saying.

    Pavlov could have made a case-study from APUG.

    Another thread for the ignore button ...
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    I'm actually a fan of the Lomography phenomenon, though I know that not everyone here is, and I can't deny that analogue photography has many subcultures.

    Clearly, though, there's a market that dictates that Lomography stuff is being sold in non-photographic places like Urban Outfitter, which is great for now, but isn't going to last, and places like that wouldn't be selling cameras, if they weren't moving a significant quantity of product by their standards, which I suspect are fairly high.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David A. Goldfarb View Post
    I'm actually a fan of the Lomography phenomenon, though I know that not everyone here is, and I can't deny that analogue photography has many subcultures.

    Clearly, though, there's a market that dictates that Lomography stuff is being sold in non-photographic places like Urban Outfitter, which is great for now, but isn't going to last, and places like that wouldn't be selling cameras, if they weren't moving a significant quantity of product by their standards, which I suspect are fairly high.
    Someone earlier in this thread claimed that one Urban Outfitter location (in CT) had already stopped carrying Lomo stuff. I've never been in one (in WA), so I don't know. I kicked around buying one of those Belairs just for fun, but then realized I could have a Sekonic L398A meter for less.

    Come to think of it, I don't think I've ever seen one of those Lomo cameras shown on their website out in the wild. Probably due to my age group.

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    I think the sales numbers we've had shared with us show that trendy twentysomethings aren't driving film sales singlehandedly. Kodak reported a 15% increase in pro film sales last year, and I can assure you that most of these kids are not loading Portra 800 into their Holgas. They buy Lomo branded film, they buy expired stuff on eBay, or they buy whatever's cheapest. 9/10 times I ask someone with a Lomo camera or an AE1 what they have loaded, they can't even give me an answer.

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    The Lawrence Welk show re runs are still on the air. "Hipsters" and their beloved Lomos exhibit "discovery of photography" . Also, for some there is a " gee whiz" factor. The little plastic cameras have shown they can be a very creative tool, as can a paint brush and an aerosol spray can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Nadvornick View Post
    Someone earlier in this thread claimed that one Urban Outfitter location (in CT) had already stopped carrying Lomo stuff. I've never been in one (in WA), so I don't know. I kicked around buying one of those Belairs just for fun, but then realized I could have a Sekonic L398A meter for less.

    Come to think of it, I don't think I've ever seen one of those Lomo cameras shown on their website out in the wild. Probably due to my age group.

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    That was me, yup I used to be able to buy impossible integral film, 110, 35mm and 120 film, as well as Lomography and Holga cameras in 35mm and 120 format as well as a short "movie" camera that shot a few seconds of frames from a 35mm film canister, odd right? lol

    About a year ago I noticed stock dwindling and even the one in New York (urban outfitters), at least one of the locations, in Manhattan, had low stock and the sales lady said they were cutting back.

    I stopped in the CT one 2 months ago and NO film at all but a few on the clearance peg board hooks.

    All replaced by various record players and albums and tape decks and CD's so they are into the music scene of the hipster crowd now.

    Cyclical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by markaudacity View Post
    I think the sales numbers we've had shared with us show that trendy twentysomethings aren't driving film sales singlehandedly. Kodak reported a 15% increase in pro film sales last year, and I can assure you that most of these kids are not loading Portra 800 into their Holgas. They buy Lomo branded film, they buy expired stuff on eBay, or they buy whatever's cheapest. 9/10 times I ask someone with a Lomo camera or an AE1 what they have loaded, they can't even give me an answer.
    The increase in pro film may be due to the decrease in available expired stock, yes there will always be "expired stock" but the last of the big chunks of older expired emulsions are sort of lessened and the remaining expired stock is from emulsions which are still being made.

    That's just a guess of course, but I've noticed a trend on eBay and there's less of the old stock out there.



 

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