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    3D cannot make a movie better... much in the same way that you can't polish a turd...

    I find 3D displays fascinating in ther own regard, from a technical & logistical standpoint, but the adding of another dimension to play with in composition alone suggests that there is artistic potential to be exploited.

    I would have to in turn ask why 3D is so offensive to people? Does it really give you a headache and hurt your eyes? I've seen Avatar in the theatre and that's basically it for my 3D film-going, but I really, really enjoyed the cinematic experience of it. I've said it before, but it's like watching Dorothy and Toto come out in color... it's just pure visual rapture.

    On the flipside, oftentimes when I see a 3D picture from a stereoscope, or something like that, I'm left with the impression that, hmmm... ok, that's what it looks like in real life. *yawn* In that respect, I can relate to some 3D skepticism.

    However, there are very intriguing possibilities with hyper & hypo stereo setups; where the "eyes" are placed much further or closer than our interocular distance. Imagine two cameras 50 feet apart and aimed at a distant thunderhead; the thunderhead becomes a dollop of whipped cream. Likewise, 3D microscopy, showing a virus or cell in full relief. This kind of stuff interests me.

    update: a lot of these posts are just down right curmudgeonly IMO
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    3D is not offensive to me. It just not something I think is necessary to enjoy a GOOD movie. Maybe it helps adequate or crappy movies to gain some traction with the audience, I don't know. But as you say, you can't polish a turd.

    To me what makes a good movie is the building of great characters, a good story that either moves me or teaches me something. Good acting is important, as is good directing, and finally someone that can keep the cheese factor down.
    I saw Avatar in 3D in the theater, because I was curious. No visual miracles in the world can save that movie from being a lousy story. Like everything else it's another way to wrap people in a neat package of 'entertainment value'. I hated the movie, and the added visual tricks did nothing to enhance the experience.
    Now to the flip side of the coin; if I were to see a really good movie in 3D, I might enjoy it. But I would enjoy it in 2D too without missing the possibility of seeing it in 3D. So for me it's completely unnecessary and frankly a waste of time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by holmburgers View Post
    3D cannot make a movie better... much in the same way that you can't polish a turd...
    Actually, you CAN polish a turd Just ask Mythbusters:

    http://dsc.discovery.com/videos/myth...ng-a-turd.html

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    Did no one else appreciate the anti-colonialist sentiment expressed in Avatar? Drivel or not, I got behind that theme.

    No one has ever claimed that Hollywood's 3D movies are going to be more thoughful, more moving, more artistic, more enlightening, etc., solely by virtue of a third dimension.

    I feel strongly though, that dismissing the vehicle (3D) instead of the passenger (the plot) is a mistake, and that's the case with all this 3D bashing. It seems like there's a strong negative reaction, and a voluntary lashing out that I just don't really see cause for.

    I say let's just sit back and see what someone does someday with a 3D film. One of my least favorite things is eating crow!

    Color was a novelty too when it came out, but today it's just standard and great movies are filmed in color. I see the same thing happening to 3D someday (if we lose the glasses... this is key).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas Bertilsson View Post
    So, regardless of impact on the film industry, does 3D make the movies better?
    No. Only good stories make movies better.


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    Chris, I will keep my opinion to myself. Not even worth arguing about. You like the potential. I don't. I'm moving on.
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    I enjoyed avatar 3d for what it was. It was actually filmed in '3D' (with a lot of cameras at different depths etc), with enormous amounts of work by James Cameron, it took years from what I've read. Getting the timing right down to the single frame and whatnot, I'm glad I don't work in that industry.

    Most other '3D' films are, however, filmed in 2D and then sent to Mumbai where all '3D'-esque effects are done in post.

    So as most others have said, 3d wont save a bad movie, but done right it might enhance the experience for the viewer. It has done once for me at least (Watching avatar on dvd made me wonder how I could enjoy it the first time), other have been terrible (I left the theater thirty minutes into Burton/Disneys abomination Alice).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas Bertilsson View Post
    Chris, I will keep my opinion to myself. Not even worth arguing about. You like the potential. I don't. I'm moving on.


    We're not arguing... I thought we were just having a spirited conversation. Please don't stop expressing your opinion Thomas, it's one of the better ones!

    I'm just encouraging everyone to keep an open mind, that's all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by holmburgers View Post


    We're not arguing... I thought we were just having a spirited conversation.

    I'm just encouraging everyone to keep an open mind, that's all.
    I know. I'm just tired of the discussion of something I don't even enjoy. Smile. It's all good. I just figured out that I have better things to spend my time on.
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    Good call.... onwards and upwards!
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