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    If the coating technology and plant is modern and paid for I don't see why making and selling film alone couldn't be a nice little revenue stream. Product selection might go down but Tri-X is Tri-X, how much further R&D needs to go into it? There are probably a lot of money losers in Kodak's operations being paid for by the money makers. I'm thinking (hoping) film is a money maker, (maybe only because then I can keep buying the film I most like to use).

    Besides, Kodak's film technology might be the only asset they have not being targeted by the patent jackels. Look at Apple. How much of their asset value is under patent attack? How much is merely public sentiment about its coolness factor? I certainly don't know, and in the case of product sentiment I doubt anyone really does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by j-dogg View Post
    And I was just starting to like Portra 400.

    Dammit Kodak don't you screw this up.
    it's too late

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    Who wants to go in on a few patents? Group buy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by holmburgers View Post
    Who wants to go in on a few patents? Group buy?
    Aren't they selling their digital photography patents?

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    I might have been wiser at one point to have split Kodak it to its respective operational sectors as not to burden other parts of business with shortfalls of the other. Theirs stocks probably would have looked a lot better, thats for sure.

    Their large film plants, even though paid for still carry property taxes, continued maintenance (even if not running), and a payroll with union set salaries. Also sometimes larger pieces of machinery are not all paid for at once, Kodak may still be carry debt on more modern pieces.

    Its a very tough spot Kodak has gotten it self into. I really hope something good might come out of this, and films keep on rolling off their lines.

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    Personally I don't care who makes my film, I just want to keep shooting it as long as possible. I was at the Iowa State Fair today. Lots and lots of people with cameras. Only 1, that I saw, shooting film. Me. That's why Kodak is going downhill and is potentially headed for the end. Remember RCA? They had marketed themselves with a dog and a phonograph. RCA isn't around anymore, pretty much vanished from the face of the Earth. I think it's because people associated them with old technology. Same with Kodak. Kodak is film, even if they invented digital photography or hugely contributed to it.

    Reality is 99% perception.
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    Kodak is indeed only selling the digital portfolio of patents.

    PE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfeye View Post
    Only 1, that I saw, shooting film. Me.
    I live in Denver, which gets a respectable tourist traffic both Summer and Winter. People around here don't seem to bat an eye at the tourists with the bulbous dslrs and big zooms. But let me walk around with a battered F and a 28 and they notice. I'm not imagining it. Maybe they have a 35mm at home and just don't know "if it still works", or where to get the film developed. Maybe, seeing me shooting what they recognize as a film camera and not a dslr makes them uneasy, as if they think I know something they don't and maybe they shouldn't have dumped everything for their dslr or 5MP phone. It's weird. I sometimes feel sorry for them, all the Nikkormats and SRT 101s and Spotmatics, and even the Petris, that went to Goodwill or into the landfill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by semi-ambivalent View Post
    I live in Denver, which gets a respectable tourist traffic both Summer and Winter. People around here don't seem to bat an eye at the tourists with the bulbous dslrs and big zooms. But let me walk around with a battered F and a 28 and they notice. I'm not imagining it. Maybe they have a 35mm at home and just don't know "if it still works", or where to get the film developed. Maybe, seeing me shooting what they recognize as a film camera and not a dslr makes them uneasy, as if they think I know something they don't and maybe they shouldn't have dumped everything for their dslr or 5MP phone. It's weird. I sometimes feel sorry for them, all the Nikkormats and SRT 101s and Spotmatics, and even the Petris, that went to Goodwill or into the landfill.
    I feel a similar sadness (though signficantly less) when people are rushing to get rid of their VCR's and all their VHS tapes, like my parents. I mean, transferring family memories to DVD and who knows how many actually keep the original tapes (I've convinced my parents to).

    How many VHS tapes do you know that skip, stall, and generally stop working? Besides getting eaten (which is usually to blame on the machine), they're a far more robust media than DVD and yet no one seems to recall this or care. Record a show on SP quality and you won't believe it's VHS.

    The problem is, this kind of talk out of my mouth immediately gets stamped LUDDITE, NOSTALGIA FREAK, etc. I feel like I'm just being practical...
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    DVD is more robust than VHS, and the standard is capable much higher quality. Many DVDs are poorly encoded though. You need to invest in quality discs like Taiyo Yuden or Mitsubishi, not the cheap stuff like Sony, Ricoh, Fuji etc, they are all low quality discs. Given how you can copy a DVD without generation loss quickly, and have a backup of it on a hard disk ready to burn it's going to last better than a VHS tape.

    Also having just any old burner on top of letting it rip at max speed lowers burn quality, you also will want a quality burner (not any more expensive than normal brand burners, just know which one to pick, such as the Pioneers (dont get Pioneer discs) like the BD-206/207 (BluRay/DVD combo), Optiarc (DVD) I wouldn't go for any other drive they cant compete in burn quality).

    Then there is BluRay to up the ante in quality again, burners are not expensive now.


    Kodak has also been recently releasing new colour neg film stocks into Super8 as well, not just the Portra and Ektar stuff over the recent past in still formats. So I would say there is demand there even in Super8 oddly.
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