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    Quote Originally Posted by c6h6o3 View Post
    If you can shop for buggy whips on an iPad (and you can) there will always be film, certainly as long as any of us is alive. I think Ilford will be the last man standing in the film coliseum. Fuji is just as capital intensive a business as is Kodak. They'll get out of the film business, too, sooner than later methinks.

    If you want to have black & white film around in future years and are running low, support Ilford and not Kodak. Your purchase there will be something more than a mere exercise in futility.

    I'm down to my last 10 sheets of 8x10 Tmax. When it's gone I'll order HP5+.
    The difference is that a skilled worker, on his own, can make a top quality buggy whip in a back-yard workshop with relatively simple tools and materials. You can't make a 35mm film in that way.

    (I agree with what you say about Fuji and Ilford...)

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    The difference is that a skilled worker, on his own, can make a top quality buggy whip in a back-yard workshop with relatively simple tools and materials. You can't make a 35mm film in that way.
    Well I'm glad I'm learning to pour plates then!

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    Quote Originally Posted by railwayman3 View Post
    So I believe...but how many M9's are sold in a year, compared with, say, smartphones.

    Enough to have resurrected Leica from near death and triggering backorders of six months or more for lenses that cost $5,000+++
    Keep it small, keep it focused, and, as Steve Jobs would say.."make insanely great products".

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    This is true as far as I know. There's a particular store here in Montreal (photography dead zone) selling Leica gear and I asked him one day if he actually sells any of the digital Leica stuff, particularly considering how expensive the latest incarnations of the M lenses are. He told me he honestly sells more than he can deliver and things are backordered, and that the last Leica product he remembers being in such demand was the M4.

    Anyhow my point was only that Kodak can indeed still come up with leading-edge ideas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by railwayman3 View Post
    The difference is that a skilled worker, on his own, can make a top quality buggy whip in a back-yard workshop with relatively simple tools and materials. You can't make a 35mm film in that way.

    (I agree with what you say about Fuji and Ilford...)
    The point is that there's demand for buggy whips no matter how advanced transportation technology becomes. No matter how photography changes there will always be demand for film so someone will always make it. Perhaps this is a better example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by c6h6o3 View Post
    The point is that there's demand for buggy whips no matter how advanced transportation technology becomes. No matter how photography changes there will always be demand for film so someone will always make it. Perhaps this is a better example.
    AHHH, but what if the film was $100 a sheet or roll? I'm pretty sure that the demand for film and then its supply would dry up pretty damn quickly.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by hoffy View Post
    AHHH, but what if the film was $100 a sheet or roll? I'm pretty sure that the demand for film and then its supply would dry up pretty damn quickly.....
    Sure would. I guess we'll all just have to learn to pour wet plates. Or find another hobby.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hoffy View Post
    AHHH, but what if the film was $100 a sheet or roll? I'm pretty sure that the demand for film and then its supply would dry up pretty damn quickly.....
    My own feeling is that the current increases in prices must already be having an effect on demand. For many of us, photography is a hobby (in my case, one of several), and discretionary spending at a time when there are other priorities. I've totally no intention of giving up yet, but my shooting this year has, deliberately, become much more selective, and I've probably bought and used around one-third of the materials used in the same period last year.

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    we'll all be making lumen prints on film+paper when all that is sold
    is 15-23 years old and fogged found in somene's basement and listed
    by an unknowing no-nothing friend on ebay showing
    all the paper + film fanned out on a tabletop so we can see we are
    bidding on real photo paper and real film.
    just like they were doing a few years ago when azo died

    those will be the days !

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    Quote Originally Posted by c6h6o3 View Post
    Sure would. I guess we'll all just have to learn to pour wet plates. Or find another hobby.
    And when in my case it is more than just your job and is your entire life, you make sure you have the capital laying around to order several hundred rolls of TMax 100 in 120 and the needed chemistry. I will do more if things head further South...
    "I'm the freak that shoots film. God bless the freaks!" ~ Mainecoonmaniac ~

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