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    Last year TwinLensLife had a review of Vision3 500T vs Portra 400 (link). Unfortunately, Vision3 is movie film and it requires different processing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBrunner View Post
    Plenty of demand for MP film. Even when just little old me shoots a total POS, I'll still go through over 100,000 feet of the stuff.
    100,000 feet! So how much does a major motion picture go through?

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    90 feet per minute at 24fps...
    "Where is beauty? Where I must will with my whole Will; where I will love and perish, that an image may not remain merely an image."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher Colley View Post
    90 feet per minute at 24fps...
    So for 120 minutes of finished film that's a little over 10,000 feet. The other 90,000 feet would end up on the cutting room floor in JBrunner's example. That's for what he described as a "total POS" film.

    So my question still stands. If his ratio is 90% waste, what's the film usage for a major motion picture?

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    Quote Originally Posted by langedp View Post
    That's for what he described as a "total POS" film.

    If I know JB like I virtually think I do...
    I don't think he was ragging on the film but on HIS film making.
    A bit of self deprecating humor.

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    HIE - I have 6.5 rolls in the freezer - Made some of my funnest pix with it

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    Quote Originally Posted by langedp View Post
    So for 120 minutes of finished film that's a little over 10,000 feet. The other 90,000 feet would end up on the cutting room floor in JBrunner's example. That's for what he described as a "total POS" film.

    So my question still stands. If his ratio is 90% waste, what's the film usage for a major motion picture?
    The bulk of the film usage for the motion picture industry is in making prints for distribution. A major motion picture will do in excess of 10,000 prints to go to worldwide distribution, so for for a 120 minute film, 10,000 ft for one copy, 100,000,000 ft for all 10,000 copies. This is how the motion picture industry is keeping the film business alive.

    This is short lived however, for a variety of reasons, movie theaters are moving to digital projection, which means that they won't need the film to distribute......

    One interesting anecdote - after a film is completed, and they generate their master copies, most motion picture companies make a colour separated print - on black and white film. They are not sure how archival the various types of digital media are, but they have lots of experience with archiving film, and know that it is stable. By doing the colour separation, and keeping the archive as B&W, they will be able to generate new colour prints, on whatever media is in vogue hundreds of years from now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark_S View Post
    The bulk of the film usage for the motion picture industry is in making prints for distribution. A major motion picture will do in excess of 10,000 prints to go to worldwide distribution, so for for a 120 minute film, 10,000 ft for one copy, 100,000,000 ft for all 10,000 copies. This is how the motion picture industry is keeping the film business alive.

    This is short lived however, for a variety of reasons, movie theaters are moving to digital projection, which means that they won't need the film to distribute......

    One interesting anecdote - after a film is completed, and they generate their master copies, most motion picture companies make a colour separated print - on black and white film. They are not sure how archival the various types of digital media are, but they have lots of experience with archiving film, and know that it is stable. By doing the colour separation, and keeping the archive as B&W, they will be able to generate new colour prints, on whatever media is in vogue hundreds of years from now.
    As far as I know, Ilford produces no motion picture film.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark_S View Post
    The bulk of the film usage for the motion picture industry is in making prints for distribution. A major motion picture will do in excess of 10,000 prints to go to worldwide distribution, so for for a 120 minute film, 10,000 ft for one copy, 100,000,000 ft for all 10,000 copies. This is how the motion picture industry is keeping the film business alive.
    Thanks Mark. I pretty much knew about the prints for distribution although I didn't know how many copies were typically made. That's a lot of film. My question was more about the filming of the movie and how much film was used to capture the original scenes. I genuinely don't know. Is 100,000 feet typical? I know a lot never makes it into the finished movie, but 90% or more waste?

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    Quote Originally Posted by langedp View Post
    I know a lot never makes it into the finished movie, but 90% or more waste?
    Waste is not really the right term. A director will do multiple takes, film extra and different angles for editing coverage. There is no way to cut most (99.99999999%) of films without coverage. As far as feet of film, many films have gone through over 1,000,000 feet, "Apocalypse now","The New Wold","the thin red line", the first Superman - to name just a few out of many.

    This is called the shooting ratio and although 1,000,000 feet equals 100:1 in ratio to film shot vs used, it is hardly unheard of. Wish I had that kind of budget...

    below is a quick explanation
    http://www.cinematography.net/edited...otingRatio.htm

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