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    Mystery 70mm film from NASA - help

    Well those pictures aren't great but pretty good, and my film didn't produce anything lol!

    I think I'll wait till I can take a flight on a Virgin Galactic flight (yes this is a real thing).

    I'll be sure to being my Mamiya (hassleblad's are too expensive and basically have the same quality glass as the RZ67's).


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    Really, Im afraid your clutching at straws. Australia had one of the dishes that tracked the Apollo missions. Some of the lost tapes were also recovered here. Ive been to the company that did the work, theyre a small privately owned company that processes GIS and mining data so has lots of old machines and geeks who know how to use them. Not baby boombers either.

    http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/news/3...-and-broadcast

    If you know anything about Australia, is that people can be a bit blunt and irreverant. Theres no way these old academics would cover up a scam like that. Theres no Ivy league here boys club here, no reason for them to continue the perpetuation of a lie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prof_Pixel View Post
    LOL.... and I always thought it was because the Russian N-1 moon rockets kept exploding. http://www.starbase1.co.uk/n1/n1-history.html
    That is not inconsistent with what I have read, regarding the fact that the Soviet abandoned manned missions to the moon. You can want to lift some large weight to the space for different purposes than a manned mission.

    On the very same day that the US reportedly went to the moon the USSR was conducting an unmanned mission on the moon as well. Getting to the moon by 1969 was "easy". Getting men to the moon was the problem. The vector which had problems that you mention had the purpose of lifting a larger weight than what was already possible, with the goal of even sending probes (obviously) to Mars.

    LATER EDIT: For those with a mind open to doubt, I suggest beginning from this site:

    http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicapollo.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by snaggs View Post
    Really, Im afraid your clutching at straws. Australia had one of the dishes that tracked the Apollo missions. Some of the lost tapes were also recovered here. Ive been to the company that did the work, theyre a small privately owned company that processes GIS and mining data so has lots of old machines and geeks who know how to use them. Not baby boombers either.

    http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/news/3...-and-broadcast

    If you know anything about Australia, is that people can be a bit blunt and irreverant. Theres no way these old academics would cover up a scam like that. Theres no Ivy league here boys club here, no reason for them to continue the perpetuation of a lie.
    The link you quote confirms what is well known. The original TV tape was lost. What is "restored" is some second-generation copy.

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    Resigned to the fact that the original SSTV tapes were lost forever, the restoration team set about tracking down the highest quality footage among the converted recordings of the first broadcast.

    Another painstaking search followed, but within several years an astonishing number of long-forgotten tapes had been amassed from various archives. While the more badly degraded tapes would require extensive restoration work - including the only video from Honeysuckle Creek of Armstrong descending the ladder - the team had cause to celebrate.

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    The original tape is the only one which can be examined to show signs of tampering, or lack thereof. You cannot detect tampering from a copy. All other copies are taken from some copies of the second-generation copy the NASA has.

    It's a bit as if you had a print with a strange object. You lost the original negative. You find a second-generation negative but in no way the second-generation negative can dispel doubts that it was obtained with a sandwich. You need the original negative. Restoration of a copy is no useful. Restoration of a copy which will have "higher quality than the original", as the article says, tells you a lot about the general mindset.
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    Mystery 70mm film from NASA - help

    The fact that you just quoted from a UFO conspiracy page completely ruined any legitimacy you did have haha.

    Anyway, we are a bit off topic here, I can however send you my NASA film and maybe you can re-bleach it and discover the truth...

    Be light about life guys, lets just enjoy the big picture


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    I want you all to remember that there is no Pravda in Izvestia and no Izvestia in Pravda!

    The lunar landing site can be seen with a good satellite imaging camera. The base of the lander is clearly seen. A corner reflector was left that can be targeted with a simple laser for timing experiments. Anyhow.

    All early film was shipped either to Wright Patterson AFB or to the individual contractors such as NASA. Much of that imaging has been lost or destroyed. The University of Central Florida was trying to reconstruct some of this history due to the huge loss, and no one seems to know what happened to all of this material. I was charged with shipping all images from CCMTA to WPAFB monthly. That was a lot of film.

    A book of the Cape with some excellent images has been published. It is "Go For Launch", and one of the authors is Art LeBrun, and APUG member. I sent Art several images as I did to the project at UCF.

    In any event, The film is probably either C-22 or C-41 color negative film. Dip a piece into hot (100F) developer and see if the emulsion comes off. If not, it is C-41 but if it does, then it is C-22 film. We used C-22 film for NASA launches early on using Hulcher cameras and perfed film.

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    Mystery 70mm film from NASA - help

    Photo Engineer.

    I wish I had read this earlier and also wish I hadn't been on a roll with processing other film all day. I had cross processed a bunch of C-41 film in E-6 chemical with good results that day and decided I would do the same with the NASA film since it was bugging me just sitting in the fridge, and I knew if anything were on there it would still show up, even x-processed. It came out blank with no boxes/framelines of any kind, so I assume it was never exposed or rather openly exposed and so was useless. Ahh well, hey, by chance do you have info on getting or making C-22 chemical? Also I need some "agfacolor CN-17 Universal" chemical as well, can this be home made?

    Thanks Photo Engineer!
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    They can be home made. I do not have complete formulas for either process, just bits of them.

    The C-22 developer is close to C41 but uses CD3 and contains Benzyl Alcohol. IIRC, the Agfa process uses CD2. They both use Ferricyanide bleach baths. That's about it OTOMH. It would take me hours to find the actual formulas. If you wish, you might look in older patents for C22 such as Edens and Mowrey on developer stabilzers. IIRC, the entire C22 developer formula is given there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneNYC View Post
    The fact that you just quoted from a UFO conspiracy page completely ruined any legitimacy you did have haha.

    Anyway, we are a bit off topic here, I can however send you my NASA film and maybe you can re-bleach it and discover the truth...

    Be light about life guys, lets just enjoy the big picture
    I agree the site is not updated and it is full of typographic mistakes, not unlike APUG .
    But if you read it with a bit of attention and without prejudice you will find plenty of food for thought.
    That's not the only material you find around on the matter, naturally. Tons have been written.

    EDIT: I did not even notice that the site also deals with UFO. I only crossed it with regard to the Apollo hoax. I don't care what amount of bullstuff this site carries about UFO, I only care about the reasoning it makes about the Apollo thing, which you can follow yourself.

    Trying to de-legitimize an argument attacking the source itself, rather than his reasoning, is a form of logical fallacy

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_the_well

    I'm sorry for the OT but I couldn't resist your "Heck maybe I can find out that the moon landing was faked!" comment

    Maybe if I have time I will find some more scientifically exposed theories.
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    >> Maybe if I have time I will find some more scientifically exposed theories.

    Like, 'The world is really flat' - after all, just look at a map - it's flat?

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