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    Congratulations, Michel. I've just started printing RA-4 too. I'm having a great time. I agree with you about the difficulty of focusing Ektar 100 film with its very fine dye clouds. I am wondering if a higher power focusing aid might be necessary. My Microsight is not up to the task.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michel Hardy-Vallée View Post
    Thanks for all the interesting responses.
    Mike: I have seen Unisource vans on the highways, and am glad to know they can ship chemicals. Can they be used to ship any chemicals?
    I have not tried . They actually ship as our regular paper suppiler at work, but I have not tried to set up my work location as a delivery site for ordering photo chemicals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas Bertilsson View Post
    Congratulations on persisting, Michel. Well done for doing the research and making it work.

    Regarding the heater - how critical is it that the rest of the chemicals are of similar temperature as the developer?
    According to publication J-39, the developer is the most critical, and should stay within +/- 0.5 C of the target temperature. The bleach-fix has a tolerance of 6 degrees, in comparison.

    That said, even though my temp was around 28C, I'm pretty sure it wasn't stable to the half degree as per Kodak's recommendations. However, like everything else, it's not because you're out of bounds that things suddenly stop working. They might just be less repeatable, meaning that Kodak can guarantee their results within that interval, and take no responsibility for anything happening outside of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michel Hardy-Vallée View Post
    Well, here's a shout out to those who can get anything chemical shipped from the USA because of regulations. I just finished a long evening in the basement garage printing RA4, and it's been an almost complete success (more on this later), so I thought it would be useful to the other APUGgers to report back.

    I decided to process in trays. I have a drum setup, but last time I found it a chore to drain and clean the tubes every time. I always had splotches, and the occasional uneven development. So I pulled out my usual plastic trays for 11x14, and laid out a tray of RA4 developer, a stop bath, a bleach-fix, and a water bath.

    The first hurdle was getting the chemicals. I used to work with 1-Gallon Kodak RA-4 kits, but they're getting few and far between around here. Plus, the last one I bought was expired, so it wasted me an entire evening of setting up. Luckily for me, Kodak RA-RT 10-liter Replenisher kits (a, b, c) CAT 8415580, are easily available from Henry's, and could probably be ordered from most professional photo store with the right catalog number. Same thing for the Kodak 10-liter bleach-fix kits (a, b), CAT 830 9031, which I already had.

    I'd like to stress the fact that it took me forever before jumping the gun and getting the RA-RT kit. Plenty of partial information abounds, and Kodak always say to use it with a starter. You DON'T need the starter, unless you're running a replenished RA-4 line. Let it be said loud and clear.

    Next hurdle was temperature control. I agonized over this. I used to put my chemicals in bottles, and then in a water bath to adjust the temperature. When I was developing in the bathroom, at a previous place, I used the tap to control temp. Now I don't have hot running water in the DR, so I resorted instead to an aquarium heater. There are a lot of crappy aquarium heaters around, and you should avoid anything that is not properly sealed for full submersion. I got myself a FLUVAL submersible aquarium heater, with the metal rod inside. Instructions say not to put the whole thing in water, but the guy at the pet shop store assured me it was made to be wet. I made a test a few days ago, and dropped the whole thing in a bucket of water. No shocks.

    The only limitation is that with such heaters you're generally stuck with 30 Celsius as a max temperature (so your trays would be effectively around 28C). Not a problem: Kodak's J-39 publication tells you all you need to do to compensate for lower processing temperatures. I only got one heater, for the developer; since it's summer and the garage is rather hot, the other baths stayed within Kodak tolerances. The only thing that bugged me was that my very precise Paterson colour thermometer split when last I moved, and has become useless; the B&W model worked just fine, as it maxed at 30C.

    In fact, my greatest discovery tonight was how tolerant the whole process was. It truly was as fluid as B&W tray processing. Of course, I wouldn't stake a business on cheap thermometers and an aquarium heater, and sometimes I could see a few CC of variation between duplicate prints, but as I made just one print of each negative most of the time, it wasn't an issue.

    Last hurdle was finding paper. Nowadays, it's Fuji Crystal Archive Type II or bust; I was pleased to find that I got the very first sheet right just by going with an average 55Y + 45M starting pack, 5 secs exposure, and f/5.6 at the height needed to do an 8x10 contact sheet. I shoot Kodak film, so I was wary of printing on Fuji, since I don't generally like their colour films--I was glad to see that Kodak film looked like Kodak on the Fuji paper, and did not magically change. What's more, there's been some anxiety about CA Type II: some people worry that the paper is only made for digital printing, and won't work properly with projection printing. I'm no master printer, but the dozen or so of 11x14 and 8x10 I pulled out sure looked normal, contrast and colour-wise.

    I mostly printed Kodak Ektar 100 (35mm and 120), and it's a bitch to focus right since the dye clouds are so damn fine, they're near invisible in the precision focuser. I relied on my eyes instead, and focused on a scrap sheet of paper. On the upside, once I fine-tuned the colour balance, I never had to change the Y/M ratio, and just added/removed some red depending the negative. At one point I printed some Portra 400 (the new kind), and 15 CC more red was all was needed. I think I remember Kodak's RA-4 papers as more temperamental than that.

    So, any failure? Yeah, I broke the heater early on! The developer in the tray was not fully covering up the heater, but I had turned it on. So when I added more developer to cover it, I poured some directly on the heater and the temperature difference cracked the glass rod. I had spent so much time finding and testing the different parts of my setup, that I was livid for having broken it. I kept on using it for a while though, and only turned it on when my fingers were not in the developer. No shock, no broken fuse, and the temperature stayed around 28C all evening long. But I had to throw it away after I finished!

    In conclusion: if you have a dichroic enlarger, and you want to use it, you can still find developer and bleach-fix by special order in Canadian photo stores (use the CAT numbers). Get a heater in your trays, order some paper (at least that you can buy from anywhere!), and get ready to spend some quality time and no sleep!
    I'm surprised to see Henry's as a supplier, last time I was in their flagship store there was no colour stuff, and you had to blow the dust off the B&W stuff to identify it..... They have been trying to drop there photography business for years now in exchange for digital imaging.... No idea why, you can buy the same digital cameras at Wally World...
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    Quote Originally Posted by wogster View Post
    I'm surprised to see Henry's as a supplier, last time I was in their flagship store there was no colour stuff, and you had to blow the dust off the B&W stuff to identify it..... They have been trying to drop there photography business for years now in exchange for digital imaging.... No idea why, you can buy the same digital cameras at Wally World...
    Well, no idea either, but if you can buy it online.... it's REAL!
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    The other day I managed to setup the darkroom to print some colour. I haven't done that in a whole year (as I can see from the date of my original post!), but I just wanted to point out that despite all the Kodak debacle, it's still possible to find colour chems in Canada.

    The only two sources for chemicals I found online were Winnipeg's Photo Central: http://photocentral.ca/spec_sheet.ht...[0]=694956
    And Henry's: http://www.henrys.com/15091-KODAK-EK...T-8415580.aspx

    Photo Central has 10L Dev/Blix kits, whereas Henry's only has 10L Dev. This can actually be useful, since developer goes bad much quicker than blix.

    You might have some success making special orders using CAT numbers through your local photo store, but I can't guarantee the clerk will succeed in doing so...

    Henry's still sells 16x20 RA4 (both Kodak and Fuji) but if you need other sizes, you should check out the usual suspects (B&H, Adorama, Freestyle, etc). But at least paper can be shipped across the border; chemicals can't!
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