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    Quote Originally Posted by Photo Engineer View Post
    Dan, I agree completely. What I am against are the people here that are saying "why doesn't someone do something, or why doesn't Steve do it for us again?" and this attitude is akin to saying "you do it for me". You see, there is a difference between your post and some others here. You are not a chemist but can accept the reality that Kodachrome is gone, and although it could be "revived", it is impractical and will not be done. Others can't accept that POV and want it revived (at least the process) at any cost.

    Steve gave a base price for material, not including labor. It also does not include chemical waste due to low throughput. It also does not include the cost of "abandoning" his regular customers to do this job. So, the real cost is going to be pretty high. And people have to understand that.

    Steve will probably have to give up a full day of regular work, if not more, just to do one batch of someone's Kodachrome. That batch may consist of one or several rolls, but this will depend on demand, and the payment would probably have to be made up front to finance purchase of these expensive chemicals.

    So, sorry if I have offended anyone. That was not my intent. It seems that people did not understand that it is gone, Steve showed how it could be revived and then went on to say it was not viable commercially or even as a "favor" to people.

    And BTW, I've said it before and I'll say it again. I did not love Kodachrome. It had too many faults and was too difficult to make and process for it to last forever. But that does not mean that I cannot sympathize with you for your loss.

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    Ron, for the record, you did not offend me and what you said above is spot on. But given that where this thread started and where it continues to devolve to, this one ought to be closed and a new one started up that takes on a more grassroots approach?

    There are just too many new folks coming on here with misguided enthusiasm towards Steven's long gone proposal that are practically getting beaten over the head, it's time to lock the thread.
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    Dan, again I agree. I think that this tread has devolved so much it should be closed. I am getting sick and tired of hearing about reviving Kodachrome. Especially from people who are all for it as long as someone else does it for them.

    And, add to that the complaints and bashing.

    Close the thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerald C Koch View Post
    I wonder if some one started a thread on the dodo would it reach almost 300 posts. They are both gone, kaput, fine, never to return! It was a nice film but it did have its faults.

    From recent articles in scientific journals, the dodo has a better chance of coming back than Kodachrome.
    Yes, but I'm sure that, in a scientific journal or forum, there would be no ban on discussing the dodo, or correspondents saying "it's dead, move on....".

    I never expected Kodachrome or processing to be revived; I thorough enjoyed getting out and shoot many films of Kodachrome in the itslast two years, with dozens of photos which pleased me (at least), and in now scanning and printing them. When that's done, its back to B&W...because E6 will, I'm sure, be gone by then.

    What I really object to is this ban which some people seem to want on discussing the film, its history, how it was processed (or even, wash my mouth, out, and say 12 hail Marys), how it might still be processed, or just anything to do with it..."let's wipe out of history everything which doesn't interest me"!

    (I don't mean you, Gerald.)

    Mods - please close this thread.

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    Just start a new thread with a new attitude, a more grassroots approach? This one was doomed from the start.

    Sorry if it seems lazy but...yeah, I will always rather pay someone to soup my color film than doing it my self, this is the way most pros work, we would rather be photographers than lab techs. There is not a thing wrong with that either, it once employed thousands of dedicated and knowledgeable people.

    There is nothing wrong with wanting that for Kodachrome either except for the fact that the film is no longer made and the business model is non-existent so the only way is to experiment on your own and many of us would rather use a different film and keep getting consistent quality results, not to mention keep folks who coat and soup C41 and E6 films in business.

    So the new thread can and should adopt a more do-it-your self approach, not even tempting people like me with a "Feeler" for an exchange of money for a service rendered.
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    Dan, threads die when no one responds anymore. You know, just like your Kodachrome website in which you haven't participated in about a year now. As far as many participants are concerned, you've closed it without really closing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NB23 View Post
    Dan, threads die when no one responds anymore. You know, just like your Kodachrome website in which you haven't participated in about a year now. As far as many participants are concerned, you've closed it without really closing it.
    Yes. I never really understood why your Kodachromeproject.com website was apparently abandoned....there were many supporters who contributed regularly, with lots of friendly discussion and co-operation, and I am sure they would have continued to do so if the spammers and Viagra sellers had not been allowed to take over the forums.

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    Quote Originally Posted by railwayman3 View Post
    Yes. I never really understood why your Kodachromeproject.com website was apparently abandoned....there were many supporters who contributed regularly, with lots of friendly discussion and co-operation, and I am sure they would have continued to do so if the spammers and Viagra sellers had not been allowed to take over the forums.
    That is Dan: An entertaining moralistic guy that loves to teach and bash on various forums but yet can't keep up his own miniature forum running correctly.

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    I am not sure whether to applaud or feel sorry for those who run forums. It's a big time suck when dealing with spam and all the rest. I am not sure what to do with it, I am a photographer first and always will be. Not many successful pros I know have time to run a forum.

    Maybe I can figure out what to do with the site, maybe it will just become a blog / book promotion site at the very least. You have to remember....when you are online, you are not out photographing and that is what I do best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NB23 View Post
    That is Dan: An entertaining moralistic guy that loves to teach and bash on various forums but yet can't keep up his own miniature forum running correctly.
    Well, you've got the bashing down just fine, and you are aren't running any forum. Potshots are easy, when you don't have to produce.
    I do use a digital device in my photographic pursuits when necessary.
    When someone rags on me for using film, I use a middle digit, upraised.

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    I just updated my status with a few posts, I am interested in having someone help me steer the forum back into a more lively but spam free experience, I am willing to pay someone at this point.

    But I don't feel it is appropriate to discuss my site's traffic and staffing needs further on APUG out of respect for Sean. PM me if interested...
    "I'm the freak that shoots film. God bless the freaks!" ~ Mainecoonmaniac ~



 

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