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    Quote Originally Posted by shuttlelaunchfilm View Post
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    I'm not a chemist so I hope it isn't arrogant to hope that someone who is a chemist might be able to process the film that I cannot.
    The limits in this project are not just chemistry, the chemistry is one thing but the other is engineering. Once the chemistry is dealt with one would need to figure out how to actually process your lengths of film safely and accurately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shuttlelaunchfilm View Post
    but he knew it was happening and was doing this space shuttle launch thing and hasn't finished it in time, yet expects someone to process it anyway...

    STONENYC-

    Just fyi- when I started this project and began shooting the launches in Kodachrome, the shuttle program was scheduled to be finished before Dwayne's was to end development. I have three launches covered in Kodachrome. But because of delays well out of my hands, the launches were delayed and so three launches of film is in the freezer.

    I had an idea I loved, it seemed interesting and fascinating so I moved forward. I hope this isn't offensive to people.....

    I'm not a chemist so I hope it isn't arrogant to hope that someone who is a chemist might be able to process the film that I cannot.
    I don't think that anyone was trying to be deliberately offensive....your idea sounded great and I feel for you that it didn't work out.

    However, the final development date for processing (31st Dec 2010) was publicised extensively in every possible source for some 18 months, on the internet and in photographic and general publications, and not least by Kodak and by Dwaynes themselves by inserts in film cartons and with processed slides and films; I think people are puzzled that you still filmed such important events as the launches (if my dates are correct) in the following February, May and July?
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    Yeah, once the launch dates got rescheduled past the cut off date for processing, I'd have sold that film, at a loss if necessary, to someone who could still use it in time (if at all possible) and shot them on something that could be processed after that date. Good idea, schedule didn't work. I can understand hoping someone, somewhere, would find a way, but I know enough about Kodachrome to have realized that would be highly unlikely. Not everyone does or did, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Photo Engineer View Post
    In fact, a film that could give E6 quality images in a C41 process is entirely possible. The problem is that all reversal processes give worse images than C41 NEGATIVE films. If you don't get the same quality, then you are doing something wrong somewhere. After all, the motion picture industry looked at negative and positive systems and chose negative. It was much better.

    PE
    IMHO, almost all disappointments with C41 results is due to poor processing and printing. Even cheap consumer film with machine printing can give excellent results with a properly trained and interested operator.

    OTOH, I've had few totally satisfying results from lab optical printing from transparencies, even expensive Cibachromes from so-called professional labs.

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    I took some risks and I had faith in people more skilled and knowledgeable than I am.

    Mr. Frizza has proven that ingenuity is alive and I continue to put faith in that mindset.

    Its also my intention to assist through what means I can- I have some great fundraising strategies I'm eager to move forward with AND I might be able to help with some of the tech challenges that still exist. I'm also interested in making it worthwhile- I don't expect anyone to break even, I expect people to be rewarded for their work. I'm not rich, but I think between the science/space community and the AP community we can raise the money to not feel like we're doing it in our garage, on our own. I don't want anyone to take a month off of their life to help, I want to pay for that month.

    I still hope to marry the great achievements in photography and space travel together in their last hurrah.

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    I wonder if anyone in the various "maker communities" scattered throughout the US/Canada/Europe would be interested in taking on this challenge. I know a couple people at the local group here in Allentown, I think I'll ask,

    As we've seen though, it won't be cheap.

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    SLF, do you have enough non-shuttle launch Kodachrome, unexposed or not and in motion and still stock to possibly run tests? It could take up to double the amount of critical film in test film to get the chemistry dialed in.

    Also, seeing how you might be able to get funding, did you ever contact Grant at Dwayne's to see what happened to his K-14 machine? The lady who's name is escaping me who was the chemist for his K14 line is *super* nice and knowledgeable, for what that is worth.

    And last but not least, you may have to go well beyond the ranks of APUG in order to get passed a lot of the arm chair quarter backing not to mention the lovely "False Alarms"....but you probably already know this...:-)
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    SLF, I see your point, and logic.

    Who doesn't want a last hurrah for their hero? I remember Nolan Ryan pitching a wonderful game near the end of his career. So many fans of so many things and people, have wanted "just one more".

    Today, the sentimental side of me is cheering you on. The practical side can wait till tomorrow....


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    I do feel if the kodachromes for the shuttle launch film ever get processed, it certainly will give the film great exposure and get people talking in the news, media, etc.
    Imagine a news story saying how the impossible was achieved in getting the kodachrome developed, it would generate so much curiosity, that people would want to watch it.
    The biggest issue with fundraising i see is that there needs to be solid evidence that the project can be acheived, or else people will be reluctant to dontate, especially the big players.

    So lets do our homework first, find people that are confident they can help, providing they have the funds, and go from there.

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    If there is any place in the world that has even a shot at developing this film, it would be the George Eastman House. The only other place would be the National Archives/Library of Congress.



 

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