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    Before Kodachrome came along, there was Technicolor. Amazing what productions people went through in days past, that was accepted as just the way it's done. Now Kodachrome has faded into the days when "that's just the way it's done". At the same time, nothing can really replace it. With that, it's just plain sad. Whether it is old technology now, it was still about as perfect as perfect gets. The majority of Kodachrome slides look now just about the same as when they were taken 60 years ago. That's pretty amazing. I don't think any other color process outside of Technicolor can say that.And strictly speaking, Technicolor really wasn't color, not like single-base color. Kodachrome outshines them all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Photo Engineer View Post
    It is... too hard to process...
    But not impossible. We've seen that as a proof-of-concept exercise right here. That was the genesis of this thread.

    Rather, the question now becomes one of trade-offs. And what isn't worthwhile to one person, may very well be worthwhile to another. The OP has done his part. Now he wants no more of it. Fair enough. He did an amazing job and deserves all of the public recognition he has received for his accomplishments.

    But now maybe someone else wants to take a shot at building on that original effort. Who are we to stop them from trying? No one tried to stop the OP. Why was he allowed to continue, but now others can't give it a try as well?

    Everyone knows that success is not guaranteed, and that failure is the likely outcome. But there are some people who live for precisely those kinds of challenges. And if their background and skill sets lead them to believe they might be able to do it, who are we to tell them no?

    Besides, building on the previous work of others is how science and engineering progresses.

    Right?

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    Mmmmmm, I don't know about that Ken.....no, the above was not the genesis of this thread, that was another thread. All this one accomplished was to put "feelers" out and get some reaction. Most said hell no and I was the very first person to be seriously interested and took it serious. Well we all know how that ended up, a big fat repetitive no.

    And what was accomplished in the other thread is that some test rolls were made and developed to the satisfaction of Mr. Frizza. No poignant imagery was made, no talent filled narrative so basically, a test strip. The public recognition some on here seem to want for him is kind of like wanting the front page of the New York Times after successfully flying a Wright Brother's replica for a couple hundred feet...in 2013. Yay for Mr. Frizza, he souped a test strip and now wants nothing more to do with it....who really gives a flying film canister, I sure as hell don't, at least not anymore.

    Give me a lab scenario in that I give you 20-30 of my precious fresh rolls in deep freeze to nail your process down so that I can pay said lab $250-$300 a roll for maybe 5-10 rolls to shoot actual *photographs* on and then we will talk. I will even put in some hours on site to help, you know, teamwork? Otherwise, what a load of BS this has become.

    My 60 rolls are in deep freeze and will likely be great to shoot even 5 years from now, if a *real* operation comes to the scene, out those rolls will come....but I bet they don't, I bet no matter what mad science takes place outside of "Speculation.org" Ron is dead right and Kodachrome is dead and gone.
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    As has been noted several times in this thread, there continues to be all talk and no action. Until there is, you will likely keep hearing from the naysayers.
    No one has been found who is willing and able to do any processing. So far, the naysayers are being vindicated.

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    I don't think any of us know who is supposed to take the action. I can't, I am already super tight in running a full blown fine art black and white darkroom in a 880 square foot 2 bedroom, one bathroom apartment. I'm not the guy who will soup the film but I am the guy who could find the cash to pay the soup guy. When the day comes that I hear someone has cracked both the chemistry code and financials of it, I'll take this discussion seriously again. Otherwise it is just one more thread to prevent photography from occurring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PKM-25 View Post
    ...no, the above was not the genesis of this thread, that was another thread. All this one accomplished was to put "feelers" out and get some reaction.
    Well, I guess I meant "genesis" in its literal sense. Without the successful test strip in the first place, there would have been no follow-up feeler threads.

    I understand your frustration, Dan. But I suspect that if anyone does come along and build on the OP's original effort it will be someone to whom the academic challenge comes first and foremost. Someone who wants to do it just because everyone tells him it can't be done. (A rather strange assertion we keep hearing, given a successful proof-of-concept experiment already.) As I said, some people live for that sort of thing.

    But no, I wouldn't expect or count on any sort of dialed-in professional lab-grade process with low enough risk to justify $250-$300 a roll.

    In a larger sense, I guess what puzzles me most in this whole thing is that on one hand we have several extraordinarily competent chemists here who often complain that no one is interested in chemistry anymore. At least photo chemistry. Yet here we have people seemingly itching to give something difficult in the photo chemistry arena a try, and the only response and encouragement they receive is, don't even think about that because it's impossible, we need to close this thread, and don't ever mention the name of Kodachrome again.

    Organic photochemistry is not my field of expertise. But if it were, I would be the first in line to lend a hand in any way I could to someone who expressed an interest in that field. I know this because I've already done it more times than I can count within my own field of expertise. I personally consider the rendering of assistance to juniors to be an absolute professional responsibility on my part. You just do it. Period.*

    I guess I just don't understand the mindset here...

    Ken

    * OK, here's a real-world example so you don't just think I'm just BSing. I once trained (or began the training) from scratch of a software developer who eventually ended up working on the Windows 2000 operating system development team. You don't think I wasn't proud of her? You don't think I didn't follow her career for years? Why did I do that for her? Because she showed interest and asked for help within my field of expertise. And when that happens, you don't create obstacles. You just do it. Period.
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    So we basically have 2 people on here who *could* just brain-dump all they know about this process into this thread, regardless of the fact that it may never pan out into anything suitable, a boatload of Kodachrome still sitting around out there, and we're not even going to get it out there so others can *try*? That's what's getting people riled up here. It's the complete antithesis of how progress is made. We don't know what we don't even know - and even if others were to try and experiment, we may find that the process can be successful via different methods or augmented regiments. We can't get there because of an information black hole.
    Stop worrying about grain, resolution, sharpness, and everything else that doesn't have a damn thing to do with substance.

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    Does someone have a link to the other thread where Steven posted his results with his test film? I remember reading it and went looking for it but couldn't find it.

    I can understand the frustration of someone offering up the money after Steven made the inquiry and still being told essentially "um no, sorry, didn't really mean it." I would be sorely peeved if I had the film and the money and made the offer only to be told, "well, after all, no."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Cole View Post
    Does someone have a link to the other thread where Steven posted his results with his test film? I remember reading it and went looking for it but couldn't find it.
    http://www.apug.org/forums/forum40/1...ge-sydney.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Cole View Post
    Does someone have a link to the other thread where Steven posted his results with his test film? I remember reading it and went looking for it but couldn't find it.

    I can understand the frustration of someone offering up the money after Steven made the inquiry and still being told essentially "um no, sorry, didn't really mean it." I would be sorely peeved if I had the film and the money and made the offer only to be told, "well, after all, no."
    To Clarify this was my very first post which sparked this thread....

    "Just throwing it out there would anyone here be willing to pay $260 dollars per roll for Colour Kodachrome processing with a minimum of 5 rolls per order and payment before processing?"

    It was an expression of interest...an open ended question... an exploration of if anyone would pay such an amount. It was also a way of letting people know realistically how much at bare minimum it would cost to be feasible with not making a financial loss for materials.

    I feel people took this and ran with it as though i was launching this as a service....

    Enthusiastic that I had at least gotten a color result from experimenting, with further engineering it might be possible for me to do it as a service for small lengths of 35mm. Certainly not for motion film.

    If I ever do run Kodachrome as a colour service (which I certainly don't foresee any time soon) I will release a statement clearly and specifically stating as such.

    I don't mean to be rude to anyone here but there are many other photographic pursuits I have which I feel deserve far more of my time. Both for financial reasons and personal photographic enrichment. My biggest interest at this point in time (apart from running my lab) is developing a replacement pos to pos analog process to replace Ilfochrome. I'm also interested in exploring colour processes both in camera and in darkroom which are not dependent on materials or technology from Fuji, Kodak, Ilford, Agfa etc...
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