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    Quote Originally Posted by Photo Engineer View Post
    What else can cause severe allergies?

    Antistat rags in the dryer, deodorants, brighteners and scents in laundry detergents, latex gloves, and common household molds and fungi. Of course there is dust mite dust, skin flakes and the grand total for common dermatological tests number 60. And this is just for things around the house!

    I would not worry about most of the photographic chemicals when faced with hundreds of irritants.

    Oh, and the photo companies eliminated formalin from coatings and process solutions so we are only exposed to it wen we buy a new shirt or new furniture. Formalin is used in glues, paints and sizing materials that give us permanent press shirts.

    PE
    its kind of funny, isn't it ron ?

    people are very worried about photochemistry,
    its toxicity, its potential harm, its allergic affect
    all sorts of troubles it may cause ...
    but many of potentially harmful things have
    been removed from the ingredients ...
    and regular "household" or widely used products
    like detergents, clothing, dryer sheets, nail polish even antibiotics
    have things in them that used to cause "trouble" when part of the photographic landscape.

    i guess like everything, moderation is the key ?

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    PE, I think my problem was made much worse when I sepia toned about thirty 16x20 prints when I worked for the AF back in the early 90's. I couldn't wear gloves because the prints were so slippery. It was the old rotten egg stuff. It took a very long time and I did it on my own time in my own back yard. My hands swelled to what seemed like twice their size and they were numb for days. After that they cracked and bled for awhile. My cuticles have never been the same.

    BTW, these were copies of historic photos and publications to display at the local HQ. I used 4x5 with various films and processing techniques to produce decent quality reproductions. Many of these would have been a challenge for some people to make decent copies of. What pisses me of to this day is how they drooled over the color snapshots done by a hack showing the (then) current locations of the copied images. He just pointed and clicked on medium format color and they paid a local lab for prints. The reaction to the B&W was, "meh". They didn't have a clue regarding skill level of either task nor the time and effort nor the pain-in-the-neck... or hands.

    We all have similar stories though.

    Anyway, I do think the extended time in sepia toner is what caused most of the damage to my hands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old-N-Feeble View Post
    PE, I think my problem was made much worse when I sepia toned about thirty 16x20 prints when I worked for the AF back in the early 90's. I couldn't wear gloves because the prints were so slippery. It was the old rotten egg stuff. It took a very long time and I did it on my own time in my own back yard. My hands swelled to what seemed like twice their size and they were numb for days. After that they cracked and bled for awhile. My cuticles have never been the same.
    Sodium sulfide solutions are very caustic almost as alkaline as sodium hydroxide. You may have suffered chemical burns which would account for the cracking and bleeding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EASmithV View Post
    How about bw developers? Are they still skin sensitizers? If so, much less?
    Both paraphenylenediamine and orthophenylenediamine are powerful sensitizers and can cause severe blistering in sensitive individuals besides cross sensitizing people to metol and the color developing agents. This is why I try to discourage people from using some of the older fine grain developers that contain these chamicals or their salts. These developers really have no place considering the fine grain of today's emulsions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinP View Post
    Wouldn't that leave barrier-cream residue on everything touched?
    No, after applying the cream you wash off any excess. The cream bonds with the skin and protects for two hours IIRC after which time it should be reapplied. BTW, Photographer's Formulary sells the cream and so do many pharmacies.

    Rubber gloves are not completely impervious to some chamicals. Awhile ago a young researcher using methylmercury died a very slow and unpleasant death from a single drop of this chemicals on her rubber glove. She thought she was protected and did not immediately remove the contaiminated glove.
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    Well, the trick in some of these posts is to find a good wife that is worth hanging on to! I was lucky or smart!

    Now for chemistry, I have seen people using barrier creams who have bad dermatitis in spots. It is difficult to say what causes this or what is the problem, but they are NOT as good as gloves.

    As for household chemicals, IDK, I know that the photo industry is ahead of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirius Glass View Post
    I would have posted something similar, but recently I got spanked by one of the distaff APUG members.
    I'm not embarrassed to admit that I enjoy a good spanking now and then. No harsh chemicals involved though... and nitrile gloves are always a good idea for safety. Protect yourself from bad stuff... and always wash thoroughly.

    Seriously, there are surely things we don't know yet about many chemicals that are seemingly relatively safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirius Glass View Post
    I would have posted something similar, but recently I got spanked by one of the distaff APUG members.
    I'd hazard a guess that it wasn't so much the post Sirius, but rather the frquent repetition.

    And maybe the frequent repeated reference to a "younger" model.
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    Is my home color killing me? lol

    Quote Originally Posted by Old-N-Feeble View Post
    PE, I think my problem was made much worse when I sepia toned about thirty 16x20 prints when I worked for the AF back in the early 90's. I couldn't wear gloves because the prints were so slippery. It was the old rotten egg stuff. It took a very long time and I did it on my own time in my own back yard. My hands swelled to what seemed like twice their size and they were numb for days. After that they cracked and bled for awhile. My cuticles have never been the same.

    BTW, these were copies of historic photos and publications to display at the local HQ. I used 4x5 with various films and processing techniques to produce decent quality reproductions. Many of these would have been a challenge for some people to make decent copies of. What pisses me of to this day is how they drooled over the color snapshots done by a hack showing the (then) current locations of the copied images. He just pointed and clicked on medium format color and they paid a local lab for prints. The reaction to the B&W was, "meh". They didn't have a clue regarding skill level of either task nor the time and effort nor the pain-in-the-neck... or hands.

    We all have similar stories though.

    Anyway, I do think the extended time in sepia toner is what caused most of the damage to my hands.
    I had an ironically similar story, was in an art show with another B&W photographer, and I was showing my Kodachrome, and his big tout over me is that he had hand developed everything, (both had used a lab to print the images) yet being Kodachrome I couldn't say the same thing and people "meh"ed my work because I hadn't put in the work "by hand" like the other photographer. I tried explaining why Kodachrome had to be done by a specialized lab and how much more difficult it is to shot then B&W but no one really cared. Sad really... Ah well... Learning experience...


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    Gosh, Ron ... two of the biggest color lab owners in this metropolitan area were put out of business,
    not because it wasn't profitable back then, but because they had gotten so sensitized to color chemsitry they couldn't even walk into their own labs anymore. One of them would instantly break out in hives. And a third lab owner had to avoid any section of his lab doing RA4. These reactions were just like the amine sensitization epoxy workers develop. I know one guy who boasted how the stuff was harmless because it hadn't done a thing to him in over twenty years of mfg. Now he can't
    even TOUCH an old baked enamel desk (allegedly totally inert) without anaphylactic shock. Lot of
    color chemistry contains amines too. I'm just waiting till someone in the commercial inkjet crowd comes down with sensitivity to glycols. It happens in the paint industry. Might take quite awhile,
    but it will happen. I bought a new ultralight backpacking tent two years ago and knew it would have
    an excess of phalates, so aired it out well two weeks in advance. But then I got caught in snowstorms every day, so spent a fair amt of time in it. The fumes had largely outgassed, but my
    hands had rash all over them, and anywhere else skin had made contact. This summer it wasn't so
    bad, but I was reallly careful about skin contact.

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