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    While I love Tri-X 400 for everything that I do, I would love for TMax 3200 to stick around, and I like buying a roll of Delta 3200 in 120 once in a while too. Very beautiful film.
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    I find those colors very beautiful where I'm looking. Have you had them RA-4 printed?

    Quote Originally Posted by StoneNYC View Post
    Portra in general, I don't like C-41 films really, too expensive and to hard to "read" the neg, would rather have E-6 or B&W 220... If E-6 dies I'm probably going fully Digital on the color. I do like Ektar if I'm in a pinch. It's just all too expensive to process...

    I haven't shot a LOT of portra but the 400 I shot I found dull and the skin tones grey and blueish... And warning these are not a reflection of "my work" as I was messing around with my new Mamiya 7 at the time when visiting a very pregnant friend, and seeing how slow a shutter I could get hand held in a dark room, this was 1/15 or 1/8 or around there. And just the only example I have on my phone.



    Even in those conditions I don't think the colors should have been so dull.

    Anyway I just want some damn B&W 220 in maybe a 400ASA? Lol



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    can't resist this one film

    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas Bertilsson View Post
    I find those colors very beautiful where I'm looking. Have you had them RA-4 printed?
    No sadly I don't optically print


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    I think that process is your problem. I get lovely, saturated but realistic colors from Portra 400 (and 160.) I don't have a lot of them on my Flickr page, but have plenty of prints I could scan and post. I've never seen colors like that from Portra, at least not unintentionally (easy enough to get in a hybrid work flow, actually very difficult to get such muted colors printing on RA4.) I'm not printing RA4 now either, though I used to and may again. I'm having mine commercially printed.

    Here's a photo of my wife from a 645 Portra 400 negative:


    Alicia - Troy AL by Roger Cole, on Flickr

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    can't resist this one film

    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Cole View Post
    I think that process is your problem. I get lovely, saturated but realistic colors from Portra 400 (and 160.) I don't have a lot of them on my Flickr page, but have plenty of prints I could scan and post. I've never seen colors like that from Portra, at least not unintentionally (easy enough to get in a hybrid work flow, actually very difficult to get such muted colors printing on RA4.) I'm not printing RA4 now either, though I used to and may again. I'm having mine commercially printed.

    Here's a photo of my wife from a 645 Portra 400 negative:


    Alicia - Troy AL by Roger Cole, on Flickr
    Gotcha, yea process was done at the local lab. I have one C-41 kit and I keep trying to stock up on exposed rolls of C-41 but before I can get 8 together I break down and bring it to the lab with some "important" roll that can't wait.

    I also don't know about image stabilization on c-41 I know there was a roll shot 6 years ago, half used, and the last half had the failed color shift (green in the shadows) but the earlier images were fine (this was an ex's camera I discovered and shot her with). Buying don't know if that was a rarity or if C-41 is much more stable... But I don't like letting it sit undeveloped for months without knowing...


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    Stone:

    The colour and saturation of the images you posted are due to:
    1) the illumination at the scene; and
    2) the process used to come up with a display image.

    The two images below were shot on Portra 160NC - the slightly less saturated version of the current Portra 160. The difference in their appearance is due mostly to the placement and diffusion of the light source.
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    can't resist this one film

    Quote Originally Posted by MattKing View Post
    Stone:

    The colour and saturation of the images you posted are due to:
    1) the illumination at the scene; and
    2) the process used to come up with a display image.

    The two images below were shot on Portra 160NC - the slightly less saturated version of the current Portra 160. The difference in their appearance is due mostly to the placement and diffusion of the light source.
    I see. Thanks.


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    I am actually with you. I must have $3,000 US worth of Velvia in my freezer, but if I buy a gallon on Arista E6, I end up with at least a quart left because I shoot bw and E6 at the same time. That quart or so gets old and I have to chuck it. And Rodinal lasts forever!
    Quote Originally Posted by StoneNYC View Post
    I wish the Arista kits were cheaper, E-6 is so ridiculous in price compared to B&W it's pushing me out of the game, I just got a pro pack of provia for Christmas but after I run through that I think I'm done, it's just too expensive... I don't really know why.


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    Quote Originally Posted by rhmimac View Post
    As I was buying another batch of E6 positive in the ISO100 and 200 range I couldn't resist buying another 2 rolls of expensive provia400X. It's such a lovely thought being able to shoot chromes up to ISO800.
    Provia 400 can be easily pushed two stops. The results at ISO 1600 are excellent, and I suspect it can be pushed to 3200 with no problem. On the list of things to try.

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    can't resist this one film

    Quote Originally Posted by damonff View Post
    I am actually with you. I must have $3,000 US worth of Velvia in my freezer, but if I buy a gallon on Arista E6, I end up with at least a quart left because I shoot bw and E6 at the same time. That quart or so gets old and I have to chuck it. And Rodinal lasts forever!
    Oh maybe you should send me some of that Velvia, I'll take it off your hands so you won't have to deal with it


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