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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneNYC View Post
    Are you sure the asian markets don't use film more? .
    I never said this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RattyMouse View Post
    I never said this.
    You said that North America was probably the biggest user, so in essence you said the asian market didn't shot as much as North America...


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    Quote Originally Posted by batwister View Post
    Surely Provia 400 sold better than 100?

    There's no way of assessing this on Flickr anymore however, due to the new design... i.e., can't compare page counts for 400 vs 100.
    I work in a lab, with dip and dunk E-6. I also participate in group film orders from B&H.

    400X is one of the rarest films to come here for processing, and on group orders from B&H also. We get more Kodak E-6 still than 400X.

    Same with Neopan 400 for B&W.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athiril View Post
    I work in a lab, with dip and dunk E-6. I also participate in group film orders from B&H.

    400X is one of the rarest films to come here for processing, and on group orders from B&H also. We get more Kodak E-6 still than 400X.

    Same with Neopan 400 for B&W.
    I almost feel like its the nature of the type of film that beat it... Because you don't shoot models with it (as far as I understand its still more of a landscape film) so you usually have a tripod anyway, so why use a grainier (even if it wasn't bad) film when you can just use Velvia or Provia 100f?

    That's probably why it didn't last, it was the application that killed it. If Astia had stuck around and there were an Astia400, that would probably have sold more as its good for skin tones (I'm told Astia was best for skin so in this example Astia400 would be good for skin too).



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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneNYC View Post
    You said that North America was probably the biggest user, so in essence you said the asian market didn't shot as much as North America...


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    That's a completely different point. The market for film is worldwide since Fujifilm produces their film in a single location. Even if Asia and North America were equal in film consumption (they might be), cutting off North America hurts the rest of the world because that one plant producing film now has that much less volume to make, creating even greater inefficiency.

    There is no doubt in my mind that Provia 400X and Neopan 400 are gone world wide. That is the only logical explanation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneNYC View Post
    I almost feel like its the nature of the type of film that beat it... Because you don't shoot models with it (as far as I understand its still more of a landscape film) so you usually have a tripod anyway, so why use a grainier (even if it wasn't bad) film when you can just use Velvia or Provia 100f?

    That's probably why it didn't last, it was the application that killed it. If Astia had stuck around and there were an Astia400, that would probably have sold more as its good for skin tones (I'm told Astia was best for skin so in this example Astia400 would be good for skin too).


    Many years ago I regularly shot the Provia 100 (no 'F') with a pale amber filter; for people photography (which was my interest so many years ago) I like the effect better with a bit of warmth added.

    There was a thread here on APUG last year that bemoaned the odd colour of 400X in artificial light, a sort of "Instagram-look". I remember viewing the pics and thinking they looked very antique by the palette alone. Who posted that thread??
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    Before releasing the shutter, he must seek 'the flame of recognition,' a sense that the picture would reveal
    the greater mystery of things...more clearly than the eyes see."
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    Quote Originally Posted by RattyMouse View Post
    There is no doubt in my mind that Provia 400X and Neopan 400 are gone world wide.
    That is the general consensus, I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poisson Du Jour View Post
    Many years ago I regularly shot the Provia 100 (no 'F') with a pale amber filter; for people photography (which was my interest so many years ago) I like the effect better with a bit of warmth added.

    There was a thread here on APUG last year that bemoaned the odd colour of 400X in artificial light, a sort of "Instagram-look". I remember viewing the pics and thinking they looked very antique by the palette alone. Who posted that thread??
    Filters can do wonders,

    I have seen many Kodachrome images with false skin tones, but then recently came upon two random in a box of old enlarger stuff that is certainly Kodachrome but is indeed really beautiful and accurate skin tones. This was taken by my best friends grandfather presumably, he was an amateur but you could tell he really took his time and owned the right equipment for the job. Sadly his house was on a lake and his graflock 4x5 and all his ektachrome 4x5 and Tri-x 4x5's were all covered in mold, this was mold beyond the normal paranoid that I get, like, visibly growing on the equipment, sad how some in old age let their lives go, it's what killed him, living in the mold filled house, I was only there about 30 minutes and already was having trouble breathing.

    Anyway, guess I'll have to enjoy this last brick I have and move on


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    Quote Originally Posted by Athiril View Post
    I work in a lab, with dip and dunk E-6. I also participate in group film orders from B&H.

    400X is one of the rarest films to come here for processing, and on group orders from B&H also. We get more Kodak E-6 still than 400X.

    Same with Neopan 400 for B&W.
    Personally, I consider 100 speed film more 'specialist' and 400 a 'cover all bases' solution for a multitude of lighting conditions - which the wide eyed consumer tends to shoot in.
    But as others have suggested, it probably has a lot to do with the weather and also the fact that 'consumers', judging by Flickr again, only ever shoot wide open! In which case 100, in daylight, will probably suffice in most places. The idea that 'midday isn't the best time to make pictures' is so ingrained with me, that I probably have no idea what speed/why/or how average Joe consumer shoots film at all!

    You can start to understand how complicated the idea of demographics is in this day and age.
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    $16/a roll here in the US. No wonder nobody buys it. Great film though.

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