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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneNYC View Post
    that ugly "EFKEitis" spots all over the film... Who in their right mind would bother taking any knowledge from them, they obviously weren't good at what they did...
    They obviously weren't very good at doing it but it's possible that it was a perfectly good emulsion coated in an unsuitable way - e.g. not a clean enough environment.

    In which case it might be worth learning the emulsion making technique but improving the coating method.

    I assume the bits in between the 'Efkeitis spots' worked ok!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Photo Engineer View Post
    Well, LX, we have had remarkable success with solid fuel rockets. They do store and handle very well. If you could have seen the problems with fueling and storing liquid fuels, you might change your mind. In fact, many of the "holds" were due to liquid fuel problems such as stuck valves and excess pressure.

    But we digress. Sorry.

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    Solid fuel rockets are relatively simple and reliable. They are also lower performance, cannot be throttled, and cannot be stopped once they are started. And their fuel manufacture requires some nasty stuff. There is a reason liquid fuel rockets have been used for the really big payloads, despite their complexity.
    I do use a digital device in my photographic pursuits when necessary.
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    If it was black spots, chances are it was an emulsion problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pbromaghin View Post
    How difficult would it be for them to build a scaled down machine to meet the smaller market? I know this does not match the mindset in Rochester
    It might not work for Kodak, but if Ilford's sales ever dropped to a small fraction of what they are now, I'm sure they could run a scaled down business using their pilot machine.

    Lets hope it never comes to that though.


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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneNYC View Post
    I have been trying to ignore these EFKE comments but I can't any longer, because its a terrible example, efke film is just awful, terrible QC, that ugly "EFKEitis" spots all over the film... Who in their right mind would bother taking any knowledge from them, they obviously weren't good at what they did...

    I know your point is about the release of information but I'm a little slighted, I wasted about $100 on efke film and all of it was useless and defective, and they had already closed so I had little recourse. I can see why they closed...
    Man, that's really EFKE'd up!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Photo Engineer View Post
    If it was black spots, chances are it was an emulsion problem.

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    Yes that's exactly what it was, I was told they had emulsion issues in that there QC was bad and would often send out this kind of film, though sometimes they got lucky and had a good run, hit or miss is no way to run a business...

    I was told it possibly was a static issue, though I think YOU might have said that Ron haha.


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    Quote Originally Posted by lxdude View Post
    Man, that's really EFKE'd up!
    Haha exactly!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Photo Engineer View Post
    I met Gus on two occasions. Once when I was working in hangar "S" and another when I was being "introduced" to Ham, the chimp. The chimp tried to spray me with water from his hose while Gus looked on and laughed.

    Apollo 1 was about 3 years after I left the Cape.

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    That's neat. Thank you. I talked to a man (PE) who talked to Gus Grissom. I'm honored. His was a death I never accepted.

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    They obviously weren't very good at doing it but it's possible that it was a perfectly good emulsion coated in an unsuitable way - e.g. not a clean enough environment.
    There's pictures around somewhere: water on the floor, holes in the roof. That may have happened after their demise but not a place to run any kind of dirt sensitive production. Yet, at least some of the time, they produced a serviceable product. I feel most of the problems were in coating. Like you say the emulsion itself may have been OK. I used some EFKE but it was not my favorite.

    Regardless, nobody is giving out the secrets of higher speed emulsions - Efke or otherwise. If they aren't going to make any more of it, what's to lose? Not that many folks are going to try to make up a batch and other manufacturers have better stuff already. Besides, there are likely specialty materials involved that we cannot just go out and buy. A business would find a way to get them supplied or make themselves but very possibly not likely for the hobbyist maker. (Although you never know)
    All this has happened before, and all this will happen again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kb3lms View Post
    not a place to run any kind of dirt sensitive production. Yet, at least some of the time, they produced a serviceable product.
    Yes. So rather than ditch the whole operation, see if it can be improved.


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