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    Producing a new film just to gain a conversion competitors do not offer does not seem economic under given circumstances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AgX View Post
    Producing a new film just to gain a conversion competitors do not offer does not seem economic under given circumstances.
    It's about scale... they only need a small share, and I'll certainly buy their E-6 if it's even halfway good and less than Provia for a lot of color work, Still would use fuji for other work, but can't get that in 127 or 110, or 126, or 70mm or 116/616 etc... get my drift... and there's a lot of cameras out there with no film... I don't think Ilford will do this, it's not big enough for them, at least not now. But they may partner with, or buy out a smaller color production house, perhaps in 10 years, when one or both of the other two film giants collapse, and then it will make sense. it's about timing and market... I'm not saying they should now, that would be dumb, but someday... it might make sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AgX View Post
    Be aware that this all is a statement of intent. As hinted at repeatedly here at Apug the market at least for middle of the road films is marked by the price. And with C-41 films still available for about a Dollar from high productive competitors, how could a new enterprise described as low volume compete with them?
    Absolutely true. Can't make omelettes until the chicken lays the eggs.

    However...

    A proposed reintroduced (reworked) C-41 product? A proposed reintroduced (reworked) E-6 product? What are these guys thinking? Obviously they have not been reading this thread. Don't they realize those two tasks are impossible to accomplish? Or to even look far enough into the future to consider even trying to do?

    How dare they?

    They may try. They may, or may not, succeed. In either case it may be time again to dust off a little Teddy Roosevelt for the inspiration of our resident your-glass-is-definitely-half-empty crowd:

    "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat." —Theodore Roosevelt

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    Ken, the Film Ferrania statement and the Ilfourd colour film issue are now mixed up in this thread.

    Film Ferrania should not have basical technical problems manufacturing any colour film when resorting to Ferrania people, technology and machinery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Nadvornick View Post
    Absolutely true. Can't make omelettes until the chicken lays the eggs.

    However...

    A proposed reintroduced (reworked) C-41 product? A proposed reintroduced (reworked) E-6 product? What are these guys thinking? Obviously they have not been reading this thread. Don't they realize those two tasks are impossible to accomplish? Or to even look far enough into the future to consider even trying to do?

    How dare they?

    They may try. They may, or may not, succeed. In either case it may be time again to dust off a little Teddy Roosevelt for the inspiration of our resident your-glass-is-definitely-half-empty crowd:

    "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat." —Theodore Roosevelt

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    Don't be such a nay sayer... anything in film production attempts is a good thing, who knows... it could work... obviously they have the backing to do it, so they are proceeding, lets encourage them.

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    Remember that Ferrania was a 3M subsidiary for a while until they were spun back off again due to low sales. They were a tiny player and I knew some of their R&D people. Good people, but the film was mediocre at the time I checked it out. If it is "frozen" at that time period, expect a 1970s or 1970s film compared to today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneNYC View Post
    Don't be such a nay sayer... anything in film production attempts is a good thing, who knows... it could work... obviously they have the backing to do it, so they are proceeding, lets encourage them.
    I think (hope) Ken was experimenting with sarcasm!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Photo Engineer View Post
    Remember that Ferrania was a 3M subsidiary for a while until they were spun back off again due to low sales. They were a tiny player and I knew some of their R&D people. Good people, but the film was mediocre at the time I checked it out. If it is "frozen" at that time period, expect a 1970s or 1970s film compared to today.

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    Well, if you mean a 1970's film of Kodak 1970's quality, it's bound to be good enough for me. I never had a single complaint about any Kodak film. I wonder if they ever did let a bad roll slip out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Photo Engineer View Post
    As for a B&W C41 film, it is not similar to a color film. It usually has one or two emulsion layers with a single chemical that turns black in the C41 process
    So it's not a colour film where all the colours are black (to paraphrase something which Henry Ford didn't actually say).


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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Smith View Post
    I think (hope) Ken was experimenting with sarcasm!


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    oh... he needs to add more and and and to his posts to make them indicate that they are all in fun.



 

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