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    Quote Originally Posted by Photo Engineer View Post
    Kodak and Fuji can sell film at a low price because their manufacturing process is so fast and efficient.

    But, I spent nearly 70 years learning and using photography. Analog photography! I know most all details of its manufacturing and processing. I don't want to be an activist at my age, but I will not see the skills that I learned die.

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    In what universe, where, are those two selling color film at a low price....

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneNYC View Post
    In what universe, where, are those two selling color film at a low price....
    Go back to Ken's post. It's not as cheap as it was - but it isn't exactly fine dining prices. Still affordable - but not if you want to shoot 20 rolls of crap.
    Stop worrying about grain, resolution, sharpness, and everything else that doesn't have a damn thing to do with substance.

    http://www.flickr.com/kediwah

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    N.B. I think 'clayne' may be referring to this post I made in reply to a 'Mirko' post yesterday in another thread...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Photo Engineer View Post
    Well, I have lead you into a trap.
    Umm... is your darkroom made of gingerbread?

    Ignore me, I've been home sick all week and am just having one of those smart-ass moments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clayne View Post
    Go back to Ken's post. It's not as cheap as it was - but it isn't exactly fine dining prices. Still affordable - but not if you want to shoot 20 rolls of crap.
    That post was about B&W and also about re-branded "cheaper" film like Arista, totally different than portra or ektar or Velvia or Provia which are 2-3 times as much as their B&W counterparts... And the chemistry is who can even count how much more if you compare say Rodinal to a Fuji E-6 kit.

    Color film is certainly fine dining prices...

    Anyway as I said that was sort of a different topic and my question was addressed to PE


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    No, my DR is not made of gingerbread. I chose poor wording on that. Sorry.

    And, someone here yesterday talked of Kodak or Fuji film going for 1 pound per roll which they said was about $1.50. I should have incorporated that quote and now I have lost it.

    I too have had a summer bug for a while but I keep typing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneNYC View Post
    Color film is certainly fine dining prices...
    Actually, that post was intended by me to be a bigger-picture post that encompassed all types of film, and the constant clamor for ever-cheaper prices no matter what the eventual cost or outcome.

    While I am sensitive to the relative nature of terms such as "cheap" and "expensive" as applied to each individual photographer's financial situation, I also realize that those terms, and their ripple effects, apply to the manufacturing side of the transaction as well.

    What we may complain about as being too expensive, to the manufacturing side may be as rock-bottom cheap as they can go. Any cheaper, and they suffer a real risk of crashing and burning. And then we end up with no film at all.

    Regardless of whether one liked their film products or not, Mirko's point was: Think Efke...

    Ken
    "When making a portrait, my approach is quite the same as when I am portraying a rock. I do not wish to impose my personality upon the sitter, but, keeping myself open to receive reactions from his own special ego, record this with nothing added: except of course when I am working professionally, when money enters in,—then for a price, I become a liar..."

    — Edward Weston, Daybooks, Vol. II, February 2, 1932

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneNYC View Post
    In what universe, where, are those two [Fuji and Kodak] selling color film at a low price....
    In my universe.

    Here in my small town I can get fresh Kodak-and Fuji-made films for $ 1.


    They are rebranded though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AgX View Post
    In my universe.

    Here in my small town I can get fresh Kodak-and Fuji-made films for $ 1.


    They are rebranded though.
    Right that only proves my point, if they can afford to sell it to someone else at a price where the rebrander of film can still make a profit on a $1 film, then Kodak and Fuji are certainly price gouging the market...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Nadvornick View Post
    Actually, that post was intended by me to be a bigger-picture post that encompassed all types of film, and the constant clamor for ever-cheaper prices no matter what the eventual cost or outcome.

    While I am sensitive to the relative nature of terms such as "cheap" and "expensive" as applied to each individual photographer's financial situation, I also realize that those terms, and their ripple effects, apply to the manufacturing side of the transaction as well.

    What we may complain about as being too expensive, to the manufacturing side may be as rock-bottom cheap as they can go. Any cheaper, and they suffer a real risk of crashing and burning. And then we end up with no film at all.

    Regardless of whether one liked their film products or not, Mirko's point was: Think Efke...

    Ken
    I get this, and I don't buy rebranded (I did a trade for some recently but that wasn't because I wanted the film as much as I wanted to get rid of the stuff I had. Lol) but I certainly think for color films, they've gone a bit batty.




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