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    I really hope Harman/Ilford won't get into making colour stuff. I think that would be a bad idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael R 1974 View Post
    I really hope Harman/Ilford won't get into making colour stuff. I think that would be a bad idea.
    I don't think you have anything to worry about.
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    Could they do it?

    Of course they could. It wouldn't even be a first for them.

    Should they do it?

    Absolutely not... right now.

    Would they do it?

    One of the things I've learned in life is that things almost never happen for the reasons you think or expect them to happen. Outcomes are rarely orderly and/or predictable. But conversely, things DO always happen for a reason. And when they do happen the reasons behind are often astounding in their occurrence.

    So what if there were no more color film? Or even colour film? No more consumer film. No more motion picture film. Nothing. But there still remained a small but viable niche of ardent film photographers with film cameras, some available disposable income, and a yearning for the old days?

    Color/colour film? They've done it before. According to Ian, they were poised to do it again in the early 80s. It looks like they even had a poster at one time. There wouldn't be any other major competition. Maybe the world economy would by then have improved. Their black & white brand and their company reputation are now the gold standard. Their customer base is so loyal and trusting that they'd probably let the company babysit their kids to free up time for Ilford color/colour photography.

    I dunno'. You tell me...

    Would they do it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by batwister View Post
    I genuinely had to read that a good five times before I got it.
    That's because you don't drive on the wrong side of the road

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Nadvornick View Post
    Could they do it?

    Of course they could. It wouldn't even be a first for them.
    Technically they seem to be way behind the big ones concerning coating technology. At least at first sight that would make them less productive than them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AgX View Post
    Technically they seem to be way behind the big ones concerning coating technology. At least at first sight that would make them less productive than them.
    The bigger they come the bigger they fall. Maybe if all other companies abandoned or go out of business and they are the only producer, they could succeed.
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    Yes. Especially as productivity is related to volume. The high productivity of the big ones was coupled to high volumes.

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    That they are less productive than the big ones is the main reason they have survived.

    Could they do it by tomorrow? Probably not. Could they do it profitably? That would depend on us. Would they do it? Another question entirely.

    But merely speculating could they—with apologies to Nike—Just Do It? Given sufficient time, resources, market, will?

    I dunno'. Maybe? I wouldn't bet against it.

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    Look how quickly the black-and-white user base migrated over to Harman. Migrated even away from the staggeringly high-quality (remaining) choices available from Kodak, et al. Why did that happen? Because of the perception of stability. A perceived guarantee——or as much of a guarantee as one can give these days—of reliable, high-quality product availability into the future.

    Do you think that same phenomenon might also happen if they someday introduced a quality color offering? And for exactly the same reasons?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotch View Post
    I don't think you have anything to worry about.
    I tend to worry. I don't think there is a future for analog colour materials so I really wouldn't want to see a great B&W manufacturer anywhere near it.

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