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    Quote Originally Posted by wblynch View Post
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    * Color film and Black and White film are cheaper than a cup of Starbucks coffee.
    * Right now, ANY E-6 is better than Kodak E-6.

    Oh, and the young versus old thing... A Young bull and an Old bull are standing at the top of a hill looking down at a herd of cows...
    Well I agree with all 3 statements.



    I will continue to buy Fuji E-6 and I will continue to bitch about the price... Especially in 4x5 eek!


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    Quote Originally Posted by MattKing View Post
    No shit?
    Well I thought everyone knew the rest...

    The Young bull says, 'I am going to RUN down there and get me one of those cows"

    The Old bull says, "go ahead. I am going to mosey on down and get them ALL".
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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneNYC View Post
    In what universe, where, are those two selling color film at a low price....

    Kodak Gold and Fuji Superia are $2 a pop. How cheap do you want it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneNYC View Post
    Right that only proves my point, if they can afford to sell it to someone else at a price where the rebrander of film can still make a profit on a $1 film, then Kodak and Fuji are certainly price gouging the market...


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    Stone, I posted something like this earlier today:

    Kodak and Fuji can sell film at a low price and with a profit due to the efficiency and speed of their manufacturing process.

    Neither company is price gouging.

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    Stone, keep in mind that the price you pay at a brick & mortar or online store for the Kodak or Fuji brand includes overhead for the retailer, plus they need a little profit. Typically retailers like this operate at a higher expense than the dollar stores.

    Also, when film is "rebranded" for a "dollar" or "pound" store, Kodak or Fuji make less per unit than if they sold to Freestyle or B&H. However, they get a contract for a very large volume, which helps make up for the loss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RattyMouse View Post
    Kodak Gold and Fuji Superia are $2 a pop. How cheap do you want it?
    Well first I don't really shoot C-41, I shoot E-6 almost exclusively (and now some ECN-2 because I was given 200 feet for free), and if I'm spending money on film, I wouldn't buy either of those as I've had nothing but bad images from them, too grainy and mucky. So I don't consider those even worthy of buying for $2.... if they were 25 cents I still probably wouldn't shoot them.
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    Without the $2 film you would not even have the $8 film.
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    I'd say Kodak film was generally higher priced than any of the others for the most part. But you've got to ask yourself a question. Have you ever heard of ANYTHING defective from them? In 50 years, I haven't. You're bound to think it had to happen somewhere sometime, but I've never heard of it. They print this disclaimer I practically know by heart after all these years: "This product will be replaced in manufacturing, labeling, or packaging..." I always rolled my eyes at it. Seemed almost absurd to even have to print that, because it doesn't happen. Not that I've ever heard of. So, it's higher. When the stakes are high, you can count on it. Can't coun't on a lot of other things, but THAT you can. Plus the fact that the state of New York is also undoubtedly run by tax-addicts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truzi View Post
    Stone, keep in mind that the price you pay at a brick & mortar or online store for the Kodak or Fuji brand includes overhead for the retailer, plus they need a little profit. Typically retailers like this operate at a higher expense than the dollar stores.

    Also, when film is "rebranded" for a "dollar" or "pound" store, Kodak or Fuji make less per unit than if they sold to Freestyle or B&H. However, they get a contract for a very large volume, which helps make up for the loss.
    I understand how that works in general, the concept. But that's a HUGE profit difference not a small one. Also like ilford says they pulled out of that because we all know what it really is, so it does take away from the big boys. I'm not talking about films like "shaws brand" which surely is crappy fuji superia or gold or something, I'm talking about Portra400 and Ektar100 type films, (or in the easy case of Arista, Tri-X) Anyway we're WAY off topic here so lets get back on track with color film discussion from ilford, which IMO I think for now they should stay out of it completely, there's still too much competition. I really do wish they would consider buying the fuji machines and patents for Velvia50/100 and Provia100f and Astia when Fuji finally shuts down its E-6 line, then they would own the market on E-6 and could produce papers again and have no competition at all. If they do any color at all, I really think that should be it, there was a time it didn't work because C-41 took over and RA4 papers were cheaper to make etc, but I think by the time Fuji shuts it down, the market will be good for a comeback of chemically produced high quality images that are sustainable for lifetimes...
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    I take that back. About 40 years ago I bought a booklet called "Applied Infrared Photography". Didn't turn out to be as interesting as I thought because I had no use for taking aerial shots of jungles to discern guerrillas, but that's beside the point. I remember it had a few duplicate pages. Now I know that the books were likely gathered and stitched on a Macybinder, which can occasionally pick up doubles. But Koday probably didn't print it right there on the premises. Probably was farmed out. If that's the worst of my complaints with Kodak, then I'm doing pretty good.



 

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