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    Quote Originally Posted by blockend View Post
    No inside word on Poundland, just a working knowledge of manufacture and retailing. If we see large stocks of in-date currently produced film re-appearing, you win.
    No big deal, but the last films I bought at Poundland were 3+ years in date. I think my point was that there is a difference between "bankrupt stock" shops and the Poundland business model (not unlike the Lidl/Aldi model). This relies on large orders to suppliers and consequent low prices.....if you consider films, the marginal cost of manufacturing, say, 100,000 films is probably pence per film, but if this is shipped out in small orders via a structure of wholesalers and small dealers, each wanting their share of expenses and profit, the retail price may well have to be £3-£4 per film. Put the same 100,000 films in one truck to Poundland head warehouse, sell at £1 each with minimum overheads, and the manufacturer and retailer each end up with the same profit per unit.

    Not saying that this is the same with every item in Poundland/Lidl/Aldi, but many lines in these stores are negotiated on these large-quantity contract basis direct from factory to retailer, with the same products and special offers in every store in Europe. High volumes, marginal cost production, minimum distribution costs, and in many cases customers tempted to buy items which they would probably not buy at "normal" retail prices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon R Galley View Post
    ... carbon Yes but regarding the 'comparison' between CIBACHROME using AZO mineral pigments and any inkjet ink and media combination from any manufacturer...

    What are "AZO mineral pigments"?
    Or is there a comma missing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by railwayman3 View Post
    I think my point was that there is a difference between "bankrupt stock" shops and the Poundland business model (not unlike the Lidl/Aldi model).
    I agree. My observations are based on what seems to have happened with Poundland film. First there was Kodacolor 36exp, then 24exp of which no more has been seen. Then the same with Agfa Vista, of which some shops still have 24 exposure rolls in stock. At the speed the 36 exposure rolls sold, internet buzz and the speed it reappeared on auction sites, many people were left wanting. If Poundland could get their hands on £1 film easily, it would have been one of their best selling lines. The fact none has re-appeared suggests it was a one-off purchase.

    Maybe if another few hundred thousand Brand-X turn up in a warehouse somewhere it'll end up on Poundland's shelves, but I think it's overstocks and will appear on a sporadic basis, if at all. Fine for bulk buying and filling the freezer, but not a model I'd like to base my film purchasing on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AgX View Post
    What are "AZO mineral pigments"?
    Or is there a comma missing?
    AFAIK, there are no minerals involved. These are straight AZO dyes. You can metallize some Azo dyes though so Cuba/Ilford may have begun using them lately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon R Galley View Post
    Lets put it this way, I see things in a very black and white way.
    I could not be more satisfied with that deliciously ambiguous response...



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    — Edward Weston, Daybooks, Vol. II, February 2, 1932

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon R Galley View Post

    R&D got to love them...

    Simon ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology Limited :
    HMMMPF!

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    I've often thought that there's probably no more tedious job with the most exquisitely slow progress that R & D. Seems like you'd have to have the patience of Job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon R Galley View Post
    Dear Roger,

    I always enjoy your balanced and fair posts, carbon Yes but regarding the 'comparison' between CIBACHROME using AZO mineral pigments and any inkjet ink and media combination from any manufacturer I believe 100% what would last and what would not. But we should leave it at that and hopefully have the opportunity to debate it sometime in the future in person, but with the universal mediator of beer being present......

    On a lighter note I remember very early in the 90's when we were looking at polymer type coatings for early continuous inkjet printers ( made by IRIS in the USA ) our director of R&D gave us a big presentation....all very exciting.... then someone asked about the image longevity ( meaning fading ) he looked skyward and said 'in direct sunlight it will fade by about 50% by wednesday, but to be fair I'm not absolutely sure if thats this wednesday or next wednesday.....'

    R&D got to love them...

    Simon ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology Limited :
    Ok,, granted, I should have said something like "even the best ink jet prints, if the current advertising claims are to be believed."

    And I'll gladly buy the first round if you ever find yourself in the vicinity of Atlanta, GA. My wife and I have meant to get over the pond ever since I proposed in a supposedly French restaurant that inexplicably didn't have espresso and promised to get espresso in Europe on our honeymoon - but she decided spending more money on the perfect wedding venue was more important right away and Europe and the Isles could wait a while longer.

    However, I do believe that modern ink jet materials are vastly superior in permanence to those of just a few years ago. Meaning it might be next year instead of next week, maybe?

    Oh, and while I understand the desire to have a company as sound as Harman and with such responsiveness to the community step in and rescue color, I tend to side with those who say "stick to black and white" because you do it so well. If Harman could do color profitably, without risk to the company and the continued availability of the wonderful black and white materials we have now, I'd be all for it, but I'm among those skeptical of this being possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom1956 View Post
    I've often thought that there's probably no more tedious job with the most exquisitely slow progress that R & D. Seems like you'd have to have the patience of Job.
    It is a very rewarding job and lots of fun, really. And to have the thrill of seeing one of the first 400 speed or 1000 speed films? And, to know you had something to do with one of them?

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    Inkjet??

    Get a rope.
    Stop worrying about grain, resolution, sharpness, and everything else that doesn't have a damn thing to do with substance.

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