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    Quote Originally Posted by brianmquinn View Post
    Does not high prices paid in the Commodities market for oil futures constitute demand? I said demand NOT consumption.
    Only semantically and barely. If it's "demand" at all it's artificially created at best.

    If I had my way anyone who bought oil would have to take physical delivery of it and same with futures, no more trading certificates representing oil. Yes I know that wouldn't be practical. Sure would bring down the price of oil though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Cole View Post
    Only semantically and barely. If it's "demand" at all it's artificially created at best.

    If I had my way anyone who bought oil would have to take physical delivery of it and same with futures, no more trading certificates representing oil. Yes I know that wouldn't be practical. Sure would bring down the price of oil though.
    Exactly !

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    I guess it boils down to how you define supply and demand. The way I look at it if you want to buy something you have to pay the price the current owners of the item are charging. If you don’t like the price too bad for you, just don’t buy it. If they buy too much and can't sell it for a profit too bad for them. I feel that everyone and every company charges the most they can get for their product. Ilford makes a quality product and charges a premium price for it. They, like any other company, only lowers their price when they can no longer sell enough at the price they are currently charging. Either because the consumers are buying a similar item from competitors or because they have switched to an alternative lower cost item. Some people may find inkjet prints to be good enough for them at a lower cost than fiber prints. The price of good fiber prints is too much for them. We all do similar things all the time. I do it all the time when I buy fresh produce. I may really want to buy pears but if the price of a peaches is half as much as pears I buy the peaches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Cole View Post
    Only semantically and barely. If it's "demand" at all it's artificially created at best.

    If I had my way anyone who bought oil would have to take physical delivery of it and same with futures, no more trading certificates representing oil. Yes I know that wouldn't be practical. Sure would bring down the price of oil though.
    I knew a guy a few streets over who installed a gas tank at his property and was buying gas like a gas station at like wholesale prices a few years ago.

    He was reported and shut down, not for safety reasons but because the oil company complained that he wasn't having to pay full price at the tank because he was buying it wholesale, he wasn't selling the gas except to himself, but the delivery truck guy was the one who reported it to his boss, and the oil conglomerate had him shut down.

    Sounds like he found a way to save money and they killed it because they didn't want it to catch on...

    I'm all for capitalism if its just capitalism but lobbyists and companies that buy their way into winning upset me.

    It's the same with oil prices, they control the prices, period, there's no reason why it's $4/gallon here and $15/gallon in Europe when the gas is closer to there...

    It's just all BS...


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    I don't see how that story could be correct. Think about it. If the oil company did not like him getting the gas for wholesale all they would have to do is charge him retail. And who would the oil company complain to? However if he was getting the gas and not paying the sales tax since he was getting it wholesale that is a different story and could get him shut down very quickly. The tax is a big part of the cost of a gallon of gas. That is why they can sell it so much cheaper on an Indian Reservation in New York.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneNYC View Post

    It's the same with oil prices, they control the prices, period, there's no reason why it's $4/gallon here and $15/gallon in Europe when the gas is closer to there...

    It's just all BS...


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    The difference in pump prices between North America and Europe is almost entirely due to much higher taxes in Europe.

    I doubt the story because the wholesale price is just a few cents cheaper. Some private pilots have their own tanks because some airplanes can legally and safely run on car gas, but only if it's ethanol free, instead of the much more expensive leaded avgas. I've never heard of then being hassled for buying wholesale (though the EPA is another matter if the tanks are too large.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Cole View Post
    The difference in pump prices between North America and Europe is almost entirely due to much higher taxes in Europe.

    I doubt the story because the wholesale price is just a few cents cheaper. Some private pilots have their own tanks because some airplanes can legally and safely run on car gas, but only if it's ethanol free, instead of the much more expensive leaded avgas. I've never heard of then being hassled for buying wholesale (though the EPA is another matter if the tanks are too large.)
    It was in a news paper but obviously don't have the article anymore, sorry I can't quote a source it was the CT Post I believe, or the New Haven Advocate or Hartford Currant.

    I don't get the paper myself so it was like at someone's house or at a coffee shop or something.


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    Gas prices are about ready to collapse. Fracking has made a whole new level of supply available. The US, or rather North Dakota, is about ready to become one of the largest net exporters of oil in the world. It sucks if the well is in your backyard and you don't own the mineral rights. Deal with it.
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    Stone, that story sounds incorrect.
    As mentioned already, it was probably because of buying it wholesale. If the vehicle goes on the road it has have road taxes paid on its fuel. An exception is machines that are not normally driven on roads and cannot registered as road-going vehicles, like farm machinery and most construction equipment.
    I have bought both gasoline and diesel from suppliers, and did not have to pay road taxes on either for my operations. However, I always paid retail for the gas even though it was used in small mowers and golf carts, because it always seemed that the owner or their kid would decide to just fill up at the tank instead of in town at the station. The thing is, because of delivery charges on the relatively small quantities, the price per gallon was higher than at the station, so I always filled up the work truck in town.

    Diesel for machines that are for off-highway use, like mowers, backhoes, etc., was always purchased wholesale. The diesel was dyed red, and if a road-going vehicle like a dump truck or water truck had it in its tank and was stopped on the road and checked, it was a $1,000 fine. I had fully taxed diesel in drums for the diesel pickup truck we had, and got into arguments with guys not under my direction who didn't want to hassle with the hand pump on the drums until I started insisting that my workers always padlock the big tanks after filling a machine and return the keys to me.
    It really tweaked 'em.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pbromaghin View Post
    Gas prices are about ready to collapse.
    Your opinion, here is another.
    http://peak-oil.org/2013/05/looking-back-at-peak-oil/



 

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