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    Quote Originally Posted by kb3lms View Post
    but when did that stop a businessman on a mission?
    Ah if only I had access to some lottery money, I'd have a setup running. Sure there might not be any profit for a while but to have a future for film I think it'd totally be worth it. After all Impossible did it with Polaroids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirius Glass View Post
    This has been covered here many times over the years. The documentation is not complete and it would take a long time to get it working properly. PE has spent half his posts killing this myth.
    YEP!

    This is the problem confronting us and which (to a certain extent0 did not face TIP as they had the engineers and equipment.

    The patents have a key phrase "obvious to one skilled in the art" which means "we ain't gonna tell ya". It also means that someone can figure it out with good education and lots of time and money.

    And so, you have about 200 photo engineers world wide who can do this stuff and most of us are old. Many of us refuse to discuss this out of some sort of loyalty to EK or Fuji or whatever company they worked for. Some are too old and some just don't care. Once those 200 are gone, lots of luck. Oh, and don't expect to hire people away from EK as they are held by an NDA and can't give you information.

    My NDA has expired by now, but I'm much too old to go haring around the world to support this kind of stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Photo Engineer View Post
    YEP!

    This is the problem confronting us and which (to a certain extent0 did not face TIP as they had the engineers and equipment.

    The patents have a key phrase "obvious to one skilled in the art" which means "we ain't gonna tell ya". It also means that someone can figure it out with good education and lots of time and money.

    And so, you have about 200 photo engineers world wide who can do this stuff and most of us are old. Many of us refuse to discuss this out of some sort of loyalty to EK or Fuji or whatever company they worked for. Some are too old and some just don't care. Once those 200 are gone, lots of luck. Oh, and don't expect to hire people away from EK as they are held by an NDA and can't give you information.

    My NDA has expired by now, but I'm much too old to go haring around the world to support this kind of stuff.

    PE
    Well PE, one day we'll see you guys in heaven and things will be different. I'm counting on there being all the Kodak film there I can shoot.

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    This thread went crazy once PE started posting, but I wanted to reply to the "advertising" comment.

    Do you think that Kodak, Ilford, Fuji, Adox, and Foma (did I miss anyone still left?) would come together and buy an advertising campaign to make people AWARE of film?

    The whole Kodachrome "ending" on the news confused most people I know and they all say "didn't they stop making film a few years ago? I saw a thing on the news that the last photo lab shut down" I get this a lot... So wouldn't it behoove ALL of the film companies still left to remind people? And also get "younger folk" interested in more than just "Lomo" shooting?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Photo Engineer View Post
    YEP!

    This is the problem confronting us and which (to a certain extent0 did not face TIP as they had the engineers and equipment.

    The patents have a key phrase "obvious to one skilled in the art" which means "we ain't gonna tell ya". It also means that someone can figure it out with good education and lots of time and money.

    And so, you have about 200 photo engineers world wide who can do this stuff and most of us are old. Many of us refuse to discuss this out of some sort of loyalty to EK or Fuji or whatever company they worked for. Some are too old and some just don't care. Once those 200 are gone, lots of luck. Oh, and don't expect to hire people away from EK as they are held by an NDA and can't give you information.

    My NDA has expired by now, but I'm much too old to go haring around the world to support this kind of stuff.

    PE
    Well can't you at least bequeath your info on the secrets to making good e-6 etc to someone so they can someday "spill the beans?" Some young ambitious and annoying hot shot who just loves film and isn't afraid of "the man" and spreads the knowledge of film for all to enjoy?


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    Quote Originally Posted by railwayman3 View Post
    Just think of the cost of building a new coating line for color, even a small one. You can't buy one readymade, so you need new specialist buildings, specially designed and built one-off machinery, plant for emulsion making (many seperate coatings all to be ready at the right time), and the qualified and experienced staff to operate it. You then need packaging machines (or at least different packaging and print supplies), quality control support, at least some initial R&D, a distribution chain to the smaller number of specialist customers, with processing services or chemical kits if Kodak and Fuji no longer supply them.

    Don't hold your breath.

    This kind of stuff happens every day. I know a guy, my former boss who built his own chemical plant, by himself, with a bit of help on the side. It took him almost a year to do it but he got it up and the reactors running. None of what you describe above is impossible to do by any stretch of the imagination.

    Only lack of imagination holds it back.

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    So if Kodak ceases all film production, closes everything down completely, all those formulations are just going to die? No one will divulge them and allow them to potentially live on elsewhere? Seems wrong.

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    I would think the Chinese would probably take up a lot of it. In the past several years, government has been the biggest "industry" in the US. If Kodak can ride out this blight a few more years they might have a chance. JMHO. There are a few things only film can do that the computer cannot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Photo Engineer View Post
    An Agfa style film made today would have an ISO speed of between 10 and 25, and would be quite acceptable but not great in terms of what we think of today.

    The fastest consumer grade Agfa-style colour film of the past had ISO 160.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RattyMouse View Post
    So if Kodak ceases all film production, closes everything down completely, all those formulations are just going to die? No one will divulge them and allow them to potentially live on elsewhere? Seems wrong.
    Does anyone know what happened to the GAF and Dupont emulsion formulations, have they just have gone into the either?



 

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