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    It's not Fuji that is killing the film, but the retailers! This has been known for a long time now and is commonplace. The wholesale price is close to $20, a reasonable addition might be $5.00 on top of that, but no. How do you explain an additional $23 on top of getting it in for $20 at the retail end?
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    I dont mean to sound stupid, but what about Sensia? Last time I was in the film store, I saw loads of Sensia (cant recall that ISO value). Is this film still in production or is it old stock? I thought Provia was the last transparency film left but now I'm confused.

    How does Sensia compare to Provia? I never shot this film.

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    In one of very few comparisons I will make, Sensia 100 was a lot like Kodachrome with a naturally flavoured palette tied to an agreeable contrast. You could swing it from people to landscape to night to sunset/sunrise and it would deliver. I used it for my overseas travel to Norfolk Island in the South Pacific in 1994 and again in 1997, but then dropped it off in favour of Velvia. Sensia has no relationship to Provia. There is no sign of Sensia here in Australia but then I'm not game to ask what's stuffed in the far back of dealer fridges, simply because I no longer go to retail dealers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poisson Du Jour View Post
    It's not Fuji that is killing the film, but the retailers! This has been known for a long time now and is commonplace. The wholesale price is close to $20, a reasonable addition might be $5.00 on top of that, but no. How do you explain an additional $23 on top of getting it in for $20 at the retail end?
    A 20% margin (aka a 25% markup) is a great way to go out of a retail business quick unless you have very quick turnover.

    B & H can probably do it. Most smaller stores probably cannot.

    A $20 wholesale cost is the problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MattKing View Post
    A 20% margin (aka a 25% markup) is a great way to go out of a retail business quick unless you have very quick turnover.

    B & H can probably do it. Most smaller stores probably cannot.

    A $20 wholesale cost is the problem.
    I think I've mentioned it before, but my local lab used to buy his Velvia from the fuji dealer, they wanted $20/roll of 135-36 *Wholesale*.
    He now buys it over the internet like the rest of us, pays $10 a roll and re-sells it for $15. Of course, I just buy it over the net and skip the middleman, but the local lab is very useful when I need something and realise the freezer is empty (which, actually, is fairly often, so he still gets good business out of me).

    I just checked Japanexposures, they've got Provia 400X for $16/135-36 in packs of 5 or 20, I've never bought from them so I don't know how cheap is their shipping.
    An awful lot of electrons were terribly inconvenienced in the making of this post.

    f/64 and be there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RattyMouse View Post
    I dont mean to sound stupid, but what about Sensia? Last time I was in the film store, I saw loads of Sensia (cant recall that ISO value). Is this film still in production or is it old stock? I thought Provia was the last transparency film left but now I'm confused.

    How does Sensia compare to Provia? I never shot this film.
    I wish it were still available here but Sensia has been discontinued for a long time. What you were seeing is remaining stock. My favorite E6 film was Astia. Lovely stuff - long gone. So's Sensia. All that's left new is Velvia (in two speeds) and Provia 100. The 400x is also just remaining stock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattKing View Post
    A 20% margin (aka a 25% markup) is a great way to go out of a retail business quick unless you have very quick turnover.

    B & H can probably do it. Most smaller stores probably cannot.

    A $20 wholesale cost is the problem.

    Well a $20 wholesale price is common on myriad small photographic products in retail, it is not restricted to film. I think the wholesale price on cable releases must be something like $45; most cost more than $80 to $90 here, which is quite extravagant for something made in China...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poisson Du Jour View Post
    Well a $20 wholesale price is common on myriad small photographic products in retail, it is not restricted to film. I think the wholesale price on cable releases must be something like $45; most cost more than $80 to $90 here, which is quite extravagant for something made in China...
    I'm not necessarily saying that the importers/distributors are wrong charging the retailers $20.00, if their costs are also high. It is quite likely though that their costs per unit are lower than the retailers' costs, as they are likely to have less need for inventory, their rents would be lower, their staffing costs would be lower, etc. - all of which lead to less of a need for markup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poisson Du Jour View Post
    Well a $20 wholesale price is common on myriad small photographic products in retail, it is not restricted to film. I think the wholesale price on cable releases must be something like $45; most cost more than $80 to $90 here, which is quite extravagant for something made in China...
    Whoa! There was a German company that made and sold their cable releases. They had numerous models and for 20€ you got a quite good 50cm release.

    I haven't analysed this but TIP instant film seems to be +- at the same price around. I haven't looked outside Europe but here it's about 20€, a pro shop added 3€ more for it. That for PX680 600 film. So TIP and the retailers sell at the same price.

    Being a huge corporation that is Fuji, with the small division of film. I don't know if they could (to put it better: want) to fix a price for each of the film product.
    As of "wanting to kill film"; Henning Serger posted something about a viable market for reversal S8 & 16mm just that it was rather small. It is fullfilled by the small companies who respool the film. Perhaps it's not of fuji's interest to buy new machinery, but how about partnering with one of these companies and put their name into the product?
    Well, or having discontinued all MP film, perhaps they want to forget all kinds of MP.

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    The Fuji distributor in Ireland charges ridiculously high prices for film. I get my stock from a distributor in mainland Europe for much less even including carriage.

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