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Thread: Color Printing?

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    An analogue printing system would be something other than using lasers or LED's -- ie. a halogen colour-head, or an older enprint system of some sort. And, of course, remembering that a lot of dev+print packages (and the light-jet type of pro gear) are printed from a scan of the negative, rather than directly through the negative.

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    Thanks, so does an enlarger with an optical lens and using a halogen bulb such as I am pretty certain me my Durst M605 enlarger with colour head does, meet the definition of analogue printer?

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    Yes, analog (or analogue) means an ordinary colorhead. But per Frotog's blatantly misleading series of rants ... I have no idea what specific papers automated minilabs use, nor do I know anyone who uses those kinds of marginal-quality services. Nor do I know what planet Frotog is chiming in from. But yes, right now, right at this moment, "Drew. Drew, Drew" does have forty inch-wide rolls of CAII sitting right there in his lab, and the big commercial lab down the street has even wider rolls on hand. All ya gotta do is look at Fuji's stock list or that of any serious Fuji supplier to figure that one out!! CAII is not just one product but a whole suite of them. I've even got the polyester-based Supergloss CAII on hand, and it really does deliver some rich blacks, and could even be mistaken for Cibachrome in this respect. Films have changed somewhat, and if you tend to go higher contrast/higher saturation like Ektar, color adjustment is like power steering and has to be done carefully. Maybe presents a bit of a challenge to people used to the older muddier films. And some very old colorheads have an excess amt of white light spillover that might induce a bit of crossover. But CAII is the standard line of papers being used in all serious labs around here, for both optical and digital large sizes as well as small "machine prints" in volume. Kodak still has some of the local specialty lab business. But
    'scuse' me ... I better run down the road real quick and tell those folks that all those forty-inch wide color prints on their walls don't really
    exist!

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    Yes.

    I will be interested to see frotogs comparison.

    I have a large stash of cut sheet endura, though some has developed a very slight cast to the whites, it's really not noticable and is still very usable. It will be a few years before i run out probably. Hopefully by then things have improved... ?

    -Ed

    Quote Originally Posted by pentaxuser View Post
    Thanks, so does an enlarger with an optical lens and using a halogen bulb such as I am pretty certain me my Durst M605 enlarger with colour head does, meet the definition of analogue printer?

    pentaxuser

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    Per print quality per se, Frotog - you've never seen a single print of mine in your entire life, so what on earth makes you think you can intelligently pontificate on them? First of all, nearly every single color print I posted on the web was a Cibachrome. Second, it's the damn web, not the real deal. If you don't understand that distinction, then we don't even have the basis for a dialog. Again, I could care less... But I do care about keeping these kinds of analog materials alive, and hopefully making them even more widely available and convenient for
    amateur use in cut sheet again, so would prefer more of a positive team effort than constantly going around telling everyone how stupid Fuji allegedly is and how impossible their products are. Thank you, but I think they know what they are doing.

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    Bingo - exactly what I was referring to... Ed, you don't need to wait until things improve. That's the whole point. The CAII products are damn good right now. Better than ever. Once some of this nonsensical badmouthing gets on the web, esp something like APUG, for whatever reason,it can do a lot of damage with respect to entry level users. If there are problems, analyze the workflow and find out where the chuckhole really is. Same goes for film ... I read all these posts of people trashing Ektar when the problem generally lies with some crude system of scanning. Do you really think that Fuji and Kodak engineers are a bunch of idiots who haven't ironed out the quality control issues relative to the potential range of applications? If there are idiots in the system they are more likely in mgt or marketing. Of course, not every single film or paper product is ideal for every application, and that's precisely why we need to keep choices alive. But starting a stampede
    over an alleged quality and availability issue that doesn't even exist is a different story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by polyglot View Post
    Edit: I just emailed Freestyle to ask 'em who makes Aristacolor. Not much point speculatin' when we can just ask them. PS their website says "Made in USA"; hopefully that doesn't just mean "cut to sheets in USA"
    "Unfortunately, due to our contract with the manufacturer, we cannot tell you this information."

    Base thickness is about the same as FCA or any other RC paper I've used.

    I'm not joining your dick-size war.

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    It's not a "war" polyglot ... but hard fact based on actual printmaking vs utter BS. Do you trust the opinion about Crystal Archive who doesn't even know what it is? CAII is the standard commercial line of papers used by everyone I know, whether analog or digital, exclusive of inkjet, of course. I can't comment on Kodak or Arista color papers because I don't use them. There is no sense me even posting on something like APUGif it doesn't encourage people to go out an try for themselves. I could care less if some smartass doesn't like a product he has apparently never
    even used. Nor, given the nature of the diatribe, would I trust his results if he did. Just too much doesn't add up.

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    Introspection, man. You should consider it.

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    I think Drew has a point about the alleged problems of Fuji CAII putting off newcomers to colour printing. I recall several threads on the new Fuji CAII paper in the recent past and can't recall as damning an indictment as that of frotog's.

    Maybe frotog made the same indictment on those earlier threads but if he or other(s) did, it certainly didn't register with me in quite the stark terms it does now.

    It just seems strange to me that Fuji whose CAII paper is apparently fundamentally and irreparably flawed in respect of analogue printing still produces cut sheets which home users need and yet Kodak whose paper is still suitable for analogue has ceased to do cut sheets. If things are that bad then it makes one wonder who is still buying Fuji sheet paper.

    If it is indeed impossible to overcome the home user problems with Fuji you'd expect a lot more complaints on APUG and one would think this represents a market opportunity for Kodak to re-instate its cutting machines as consumers should have little choice but to switch to Kodak.

    I have no interest in taking sides in this argument for the sake of enjoying a fight but like many others do have an interest in trying to decide if Fuji CAII with the benefit of cut sheets can do the job. After all the options are either to stop colour printing or put up with cutting one's own sheets.

    On that basis can I ask that others who have used Fuji CAII make a contribution to this issue by giving a short resume of their experience.

    Thanks

    pentaxuser



 

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