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    alex millman, I would like to HIJACK your thread (please), but it is highly relevant to this thread:

    Can anyone out there give definitive information as to whether storing in aluminum foil, shiny side out, (in addition, of course, to cold storage), helps alleviate age fog by deflecting non-visual energy rays? - David Lyga
    Last edited by David Lyga; 11-18-2013 at 08:24 AM. Click to view previous post history.

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    David, that won't help. You'd need lead. That's what I've read in previous threads concerning cosmic rays.
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    Do not try this at home
    Put film in a wax in open field leave for over 100 years then developed. I read this one in the paper a few years ago with the photo.

    I have use the cold storage and no cold both work for black and white when does it expire if ever may was just good luck The oldest I have use was over 20 years and not store right.
    The safe way is use the freezer in a box in a black bag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Lyga View Post
    ...information as to whether storing in aluminum foil, shiny side out, (in addition, of course, to cold storage), helps alleviate age fog by deflecting non-visual energy rays?...
    Quote Originally Posted by wildbill View Post
    ...that won't help. You'd need lead...
    Lead won't help either. The only way to stop cosmic radiation from fogging film over time would be storing it a substantial distance underground. Abandoned mines have been used for this purpose.

    Just make sure the mine you choose isn't surrounded by radioactive granite. Salt mines are good.

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    I believe Kodak stores TMZ 3200 in salt mines. Now, that is reason for its being so expensive. (So, then, why is Delta 3200 a BETTER film?)

    Just want to affirm wildbill: So, aluminum foil provides absolute NO PROTECTION WHATSOVER from cosmic rays? Anyone disagree or are all in accordance? - David Lyga

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    Remember the Disney flic, "The Strange Case of the Cosmic Rays"? In that cartoon, cosmic rays go through lead like its not there. No first hand experience though.

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    Is frozen that much better than say 36 degrees?

    Have there been any studies?

    I'm 62, if I get real lucky I live to 72, 82 or maybe 92. I have used lots of poorly stored film, by other people of course that is 30 years old and I found some of it pretty darn good!

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    Randy, I am a year older than you and echo your sentiments. Some of the stuff simply refuses to go bad. The slower the better. My Panatomic-X is as new. - David Lyga

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Lyga View Post
    I believe Kodak stores TMZ 3200 in salt mines...
    Tense correction -- "stored." TMZ was discontinued 13 months ago:


    Any still in the retail pipeline today would probably be fogging nicely.

    Quote Originally Posted by David Lyga View Post
    ...aluminum foil provides absolute NO PROTECTION WHATSOVER from cosmic rays?...
    None that would make a measurable difference in fogging of stored film. The "tinfoil hat brigade" might not agree, however.

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    In deference to David, it cannot be said that aluminum provides absolutely no protection. However, at roughly 1/5 the density of lead, the difference between aluminum and nothing is not readily measurable.

    Shiny side in or out would not make a difference.


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