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View Poll Results: How many rolls would you shoot?

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  • <5 rolls/year

    34 59.65%
  • 6-20rolls/year

    15 26.32%
  • 21-50 rolls/year

    4 7.02%
  • 51-100 rolls/year

    3 5.26%
  • 100-250 rolls/year

    1 1.75%
  • 250-500 rolls/year

    0 0%
  • 500+ rolls/year

    0 0%
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianShaw View Post
    What about other magazines, like Life and Time and Arizona Highways; did they tend to shoot Kodachrome also?
    I don't know, but I do know that in addition to using the largest amount of Kodachrome, National Geographic's in-house Kodachrome processing lab had some of the highest, if not the highest processing volumes.
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    “Photography is a complex and fluid medium, and its many factors are not applied in simple sequence. Rather, the process may be likened to the art of the juggler in keeping many balls in the air at one time!”

    Ansel Adams, from the introduction to The Negative - The New Ansel Adams Photography Series / Book 2

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneNYC View Post
    I would bet if they started a processing place, they would get lots of film...
    Careful... This could be construed as the definition of boutique-level demand. Don't let 'em hear ya' say that too loud. Do you need my Secret Service guys?



    (You do realize that if you selected carefully from voters in this poll, there is a combination of only 7 individuals who together could use 900 rolls in less than 17 months all by themselves?)



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    "There is very limited audience for the arty stuff, and it is largely comprised of other arty types, most of whom have no money to spend because no one is buying their stuff either. More people bring their emotions to an image than bring their intellect. The former are the folks who have checkbooks because they are engineers, accountants, and bankers—and generally they are engineers, accountants and bankers because they are not artists."

    — Amanda Tomlin, Looking Glass Magazine, 2014

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Nadvornick View Post
    Careful... This could be construed as the definition of boutique-level demand. Don't let 'em hear ya' say that too loud. Do you need my Secret Service guys?



    (You do realize that if you selected carefully from voters in this poll, there is a combination of only 7 individuals who together could use 900 rolls in less than 17 months all by themselves?)



    Ken
    Yes, I also thought at first you were a stock guy, now I know you're a government analyst or code monkey/breaker... Hmm maybe I should stop before I get sent to Guantanamo ...

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    Every morning The Man sits down in the Oval Office and reviews transcripts of everything you said or wrote or thought the previous day...

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    "There is very limited audience for the arty stuff, and it is largely comprised of other arty types, most of whom have no money to spend because no one is buying their stuff either. More people bring their emotions to an image than bring their intellect. The former are the folks who have checkbooks because they are engineers, accountants, and bankers—and generally they are engineers, accountants and bankers because they are not artists."

    — Amanda Tomlin, Looking Glass Magazine, 2014

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Nadvornick View Post
    Every morning The Man sits down in the Oval Office and reviews transcripts of everything you said or wrote or thought the previous day...

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    Is he part of the Ministry of Peace (Minipax), Ministry of Love (Miniluv), or the Ministry of Truth (Minitrue)?


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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneNYC View Post
    ... I would bet ...
    How's your luck in Vegas (or any of the myriad native American casinos)? Hit any jackpots lately? Allow me for a moment to be the devil's advocate, a mean-spirited suit-wearing nay-sayer: One might crap out if they took that bet. But only the man (metaphorically speaking, in reality it could be a human of either gender) who dares to try will know for sure. Who will that be?
    Last edited by BrianShaw; 01-01-2014 at 09:04 AM. Click to view previous post history. Reason: inclusiveness added

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Nadvornick View Post
    ... (You do realize that if you selected carefully from voters in this poll, there is a combination of only 7 individuals who together could use 900 rolls in less than 17 months all by themselves?)
    ... and at $45 per roll processing (average of the two most popular price points in the 'what would you pay' survey) that would be a whopping $40K per year total receipts. Imagine what would be left to feed a family after paying taxes, insurance, materials, equipment/R&D depreciation, etc etc etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianShaw View Post
    What about other magazines, like Life and Time and Arizona Highways; did they tend to shoot Kodachrome also?
    Life magazine used few color photos, as did Time, at least in the era when every page in NG had a Kodachrome color photo.

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    If I scaled down to a 4" machine, and coated 1000 ft of Kodacrhome, it would make about 400 rolls of either 20 or 36 exposure. That one run would take about 1 month of prep and testing and would have to pay for all of the people involved and the chemicals involved. So, 3000 ft would supply about 1200 rolls and do the job many times over for those who signed up. The 3000 ft would take 3x as long overall as it probably would need 3 coating sessions. If all went well, the actual coating time would be about 1 hour for each 1000 ft.

    So, let some bright guy figure pay for a month for about 25 people, facilities and chemistry to come up with a film cost.

    Now, for the process you need to make 3 couplers and CD6. This needs 4 bench chemists and would take about 1 month each plus chemicals and hazmat conditions and waste disposal. Figure that in.

    Lets assume that the process machine exists, so what you need then is a group of lab techs to mix the chemistry and then run the machine while keeping it in control. Figure this into the process costs.

    Try it sometime. Exercises like this were not uncommon as casual discussion at EK. In fact, we had to calculate the amount of emulsion per square foot all the time. It was one of our earliest exercises.

    It aint cheap even on a small scale. You just make less.

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    The difference, of course, between your casual EK discussions and these discussions is that EK knows well the cost model. Thanks for shedding additional light on the topic. I find it intellectually interesting (and a good reason for being a bit of a skeptic on reviving dormant/extinct technologies).



 

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