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View Poll Results: How many rolls would you shoot?

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  • 6-20rolls/year

    15 26.32%
  • 21-50 rolls/year

    4 7.02%
  • 51-100 rolls/year

    3 5.26%
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    1 1.75%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Nadvornick View Post
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    It's an honest statement by me that every single Kodak product that I have stopped using over the years has been because Kodak discontinued it. Not because I chose to walk away from it. That's a devastating observation. And I'd speculate I'm not alone. Anything that EK/EA could do to reverse that trend would be welcomed by me, and possibly crucial to them.
    Ken is not alone. Same with me, and ever time I go through a short period of mourning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Nadvornick View Post
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    It's an honest statement by me that every single Kodak product I have stopped using over the years has been because Kodak discontinued it. Not because I chose to walk away from it. That's a devastating observation. And I'd speculate I'm not alone. Anything that EK/EA could do to reverse that trend would be welcomed by me, and possibly crucial to them. snip... Tri-X may be the single exception. snip... Ken
    +1.

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    Kodachrome is dead. The OP needs to accept that fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianShaw View Post
    Ken is not alone. Same with me, and ever time I go through a short period of mourning.
    Do you dress in yellow for a week?

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    The drive-by crowd has awakened...



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    "When making a portrait, my approach is quite the same as when I am portraying a rock. I do not wish to impose my personality upon the sitter, but, keeping myself open to receive reactions from his own special ego, record this with nothing added: except of course when I am working professionally, when money enters in,—then for a price, I become a liar..."

    — Edward Weston, Daybooks, Vol. II, February 2, 1932

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    Ken, you missed the fact (perhaps) that there are fixed costs in scaling down that are going to affect the overall pricing situation. Also, the original Kodachrome films were all made at the 4" scale in KRL so those formulas exist.

    I can say that as far as I can determine there are NO plans for reviving Kodachrome regardless of what you might think otherwise. As surmised earlier in one of these threads, the EPA would take a dim view of resurrecting some of these extinct chemicals. And that is just one reason among many. For example, the defect rate is much much higher at smaller scales.

    PE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Photo Engineer View Post
    If I scaled down to a 4" machine, and coated 1000 ft of Kodacrhome, it would make about 400 rolls of either 20 or 36 exposure. That one run would take about 1 month of prep and testing and would have to pay for all of the people involved and the chemicals involved. So, 3000 ft would supply about 1200 rolls and do the job many times over for those who signed up. The 3000 ft would take 3x as long overall as it probably would need 3 coating sessions. If all went well, the actual coating time would be about 1 hour for each 1000 ft.

    So, let some bright guy figure pay for a month for about 25 people, facilities and chemistry to come up with a film cost.

    Now, for the process you need to make 3 couplers and CD6. This needs 4 bench chemists and would take about 1 month each plus chemicals and hazmat conditions and waste disposal. Figure that in.

    Lets assume that the process machine exists, so what you need then is a group of lab techs to mix the chemistry and then run the machine while keeping it in control. Figure this into the process costs.

    Try it sometime. Exercises like this were not uncommon as casual discussion at EK. In fact, we had to calculate the amount of emulsion per square foot all the time. It was one of our earliest exercises.

    It aint cheap even on a small scale. You just make less.

    PE
    Thanks for this PE. I'm happy to have an engineering viewpoint added to the discussion. In my line of work we do this kinda thing all the time...we call it a "back of the envelope calculation". Often enough they happen over lunch or beers after hours (in which case they become napkin analysis).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Photo Engineer View Post
    ...as I can determine there are NO plans for reviving Kodachrome regardless of what you might think otherwise.
    No, no. These have always been nothing more than hypothetical discussions about Kodachrome. Just for fun. At least as far as I've been concerned.

    That's why I've been so perplexed, and at times irritated, by the emotional, wild-eyed reactions of so many. I just don't choose to organize and present my thoughts that way. Nobody was trying to kill their pet puppies.

    It was a hypothetical discussion about what might be possible some day (i.e., not "totally dead"), not about what is actually happening today. Or even in the near future.

    Ken
    Last edited by Ken Nadvornick; 01-01-2014 at 03:48 PM. Click to view previous post history.
    "When making a portrait, my approach is quite the same as when I am portraying a rock. I do not wish to impose my personality upon the sitter, but, keeping myself open to receive reactions from his own special ego, record this with nothing added: except of course when I am working professionally, when money enters in,—then for a price, I become a liar..."

    — Edward Weston, Daybooks, Vol. II, February 2, 1932

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    Maybe we need a forum for color things things that might be possible someday, sort of an optimist's version of Doom and Gloom. While I don't want to stifle people who want to discuss this sort of thing it had been dominating the color film,paper and chemistry forum and the process is currently not possible and not even likely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wayne View Post
    While I don't want to stifle people who want to discuss this sort of thing it had been dominating the color film,paper and chemistry forum and the process is currently not possible and not even likely.
    It's not a zero-sum game. It only dominates if one can't discipline oneself not to look. And it's not someone else's fault when one can't.

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    Last edited by Ken Nadvornick; 01-01-2014 at 06:52 PM. Click to view previous post history.
    "When making a portrait, my approach is quite the same as when I am portraying a rock. I do not wish to impose my personality upon the sitter, but, keeping myself open to receive reactions from his own special ego, record this with nothing added: except of course when I am working professionally, when money enters in,—then for a price, I become a liar..."

    — Edward Weston, Daybooks, Vol. II, February 2, 1932

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