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    Okay, I agree! HOWEVER, the results (minus the shifts) were just beautiful. I've seen them. It's hard to say it's crap .
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    I process it C-41. The results are good! I am in the transition of film scanners, so when I get my new one, I will post the results. The one I have now (film scanner) is a piece not even worthy to be called fecal waste.
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    There is no ECN 70mm film. The camera negative for that process is 60mm. Only the ECP (print) film comes in 70mm, with the extra width being for the sound tracks.

    Of course, if you're willing to order a master roll, they'll probably slice and perforate it any way you like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pdeeh View Post
    But Gerald, this is the internet; what somebody else says somewhere else always trumps anything anybody says on the current forum.
    Were it just an average APUG poster I might agree but PE knows what he is talking about since he was an engineer with Kodak for many years. He has said on more than one occasion that the results will not be good with cross processing ECN films in C-41. Do a search using "ECN C-41" for the other threads on processing ECN film in C-41.
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    You may have missed my point, which was a (failed) attempt at humour ... I too trust what PE says, and indeed one only needs to look up the ECN specs to see that the developer uses CD3

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    Quote Originally Posted by pdeeh View Post
    You may have missed my point, which was a (failed) attempt at humour ... I too trust what PE says, and indeed one only needs to look up the ECN specs to see that the developer uses CD3
    Sorry. One of the limitations of text messages is that such things as satire often do not make it. Thanks for explaining and I did chuckle when I reread your post. I agree completely.
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    I have experience with ECN film and I can say that removing the remjet prior to processing is the wisest. Cinestill looks good but the lack of antihalation layer can lead to unwanted results + the negatives ARE THIN when processed in C41 since C41 is done at significantly lower temperature and CD4 is slower acting. The negatives can be nice but do no justice to the film. But back to removing the remjet as cross-processing is doable...you need a large machine to do that as the solution gets saturated with remjet pretty quickly - trust me! Old film washing machines can be found but are a pain to run. And if you plan to sell it, it is best to leave the emulsion dry to avoid rogue remjet particles drying in there and the rather alkaline prewash solution can alter the qualities of film. So - you need to construct a machine that gently wets the remjet and scrubs it off.

    Also, you have to think about spooling the film and marketing it. I doubt that your personal expenses can be covered with the price. Hate to burst your bubble but it is better to leave the mass production to professionals, meanwhile - feel free to either sell it with processing kits as suggested or shoot it yourself. You can even make dry ECN2 processing kits from powders, CD3 is sold in 25kg buckets. And the film looks just stellar when processed right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Shriver View Post
    There is no ECN 70mm film. The camera negative for that process is 60mm. Only the ECP (print) film comes in 70mm, with the extra width being for the sound tracks.

    Of course, if you're willing to order a master roll, they'll probably slice and perforate it any way you like.
    65mm, you need to trim off 4mm for 120/220 assuming it's exactly 65mm. I'd also be down for Vision Print/Premier Print in 70mm though.

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    FWIW my understanding with the existing commercially available product is that a dry process is used (and patented, or at least pending) like an air knife. I have tons of stock in the freezer of different speeds including some 400ft reels of Fuji 64T and 500D I am playing with. I have about 10 rolls I am scanning right now. The 5219 (V3 500T) and 5201 (V2 50D) have turned out Ok on home souped c-41 Flexicolor chemicals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerald C Koch View Post
    Never heard of Cinestill but I stand by my comments. Since the ECN-2 and C-41 processes use different color developing agents there will be color shifts and possible crossover. This was discussed on a previous thread.
    http://www.freestylephoto.biz/800135...xpro-c-41-film

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