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    E6 question, again!

    I am processing in a Jobo and am happy with the results but have one question, mainly from a logistics standpoint.
    I have looked at several threads here and on other forums and there seems to be no real concensus on wether to use stabilizer in a seperate container.
    Some think its fine to do in the Jobo tank, others say never...
    Question then, does anyone have a definitive answer? Bear in mind I have read many threads on what folks think, I am keen to find out what people know. I am sure we all know the frustration of having both sides of an argument maintained at the same time!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by garri View Post
    I am processing in a Jobo and am happy with the results but have one question, mainly from a logistics standpoint.
    I have looked at several threads here and on other forums and there seems to be no real concensus on wether to use stabilizer in a seperate container.
    Some think its fine to do in the Jobo tank, others say never...
    Question then, does anyone have a definitive answer? Bear in mind I have read many threads on what folks think, I am keen to find out what people know. I am sure we all know the frustration of having both sides of an argument maintained at the same time!!
    thanks
    Gari
    Gari, I have done both! I have done this for nearly 40 years. I find that it makes no difference. Others will argue differently.

    I wash my jobo reels in hot water before setting them out to dry.

    At Kodak, we used the same hangers in the stabilzer bath as we used in the developer. Just make sure you wash the reels or hangers well before you reuse them.

    The color stabilzer contains photo flo. This is what some contend causes the problems, but I believe that if you wash well there is no problem.

    PE

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    Photo engineer, thank you. I was hoping that was the answer as I was looking at a thread regarding homemade film dryers(I have a problem with getting dust free chromes) using a hairdryer and drain pipe, keeping the film in the reels makes it possible/attractive as they fit, obviously.
    Oh bye the way, do you wash after stabilizer or not? another point of contention!!
    Thanks again
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    Quote Originally Posted by garri View Post
    Photo engineer, thank you. I was hoping that was the answer as I was looking at a thread regarding homemade film dryers(I have a problem with getting dust free chromes) using a hairdryer and drain pipe, keeping the film in the reels makes it possible/attractive as they fit, obviously.
    Oh bye the way, do you wash after stabilizer or not? another point of contention!!
    Thanks again
    Gari
    Do not - repeat - DO NOT wash film after the stabilzer!

    It can remove an essential part of the stabilzation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Photo Engineer View Post
    Do not - repeat - DO NOT wash film after the stabilzer!

    It can remove an essential part of the stabilzation.

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    Maybe OT, but your exclamation mark made me jump...

    I cross process slide film (4x5) at home and had issues with water spots. So I added a last bath in water and a few drops of Ilford Ilfotol wash aid, and hung to dry. Problems with water spots are gone. Can this last bath be a problem? As I'm cross processing, I'm not counting on the negs to be stable for 50 years, but five or ten would be nice...

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    Quote Originally Posted by timeUnit View Post
    Maybe OT, but your exclamation mark made me jump...

    I cross process slide film (4x5) at home and had issues with water spots. So I added a last bath in water and a few drops of Ilford Ilfotol wash aid, and hung to dry. Problems with water spots are gone. Can this last bath be a problem? As I'm cross processing, I'm not counting on the negs to be stable for 50 years, but five or ten would be nice...
    You may not get 5 or 10, especially cross processed. You are using the wrong dye forming chemistry when you do this, and optimum dye stability is not guaranteed. CD4 used in C41 is more polar than CD3 used in E6 and the coupling chemistry must be carefully adjusted to give the best hue and stability.

    Washing out the stabilizer will decrease effectiveness by quite a bit.

    DO NOT WASH COLOR FILM AFTER THE STABILZER!

    PE

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    To further hijack the thread, I've got some old color (C-22 and C-41) negatives that got wet in a flood. When going through these, organizing them, and scanning them, I found that many had marks that could be washed away in water. Should I use C-41 stabilizer on these after doing this to improve longevity, or will washing them years after processing not cause problems? For the oldest (C-22) negatives, would C-41 stabilizer be appropriate, or would something else (say, E-6 stabilizer) be better?

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    Quote Originally Posted by srs5694 View Post
    To further hijack the thread, I've got some old color (C-22 and C-41) negatives that got wet in a flood. When going through these, organizing them, and scanning them, I found that many had marks that could be washed away in water. Should I use C-41 stabilizer on these after doing this to improve longevity, or will washing them years after processing not cause problems? For the oldest (C-22) negatives, would C-41 stabilizer be appropriate, or would something else (say, E-6 stabilizer) be better?
    Older films should be treated with a formalin stabilzer, and not the more modern version used by E6 and C41 that contains no formalin.

    I suspect though that the stabilzing reaction is complete and rewashing and treating with photo flo should be enough.

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    Back to the original question.
    PE is correct, and reflects my experience.
    A hot wash of the reels and tanks after the stabilizer/photoflo is all that's needed, and will have no effect on future processing in the same equipment.
    Do not rinse after the stabilizer!!!
    Good luck.

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    To PE:
    It's seems to be that you're a specialist in film and chemical influences.

    What is exactly the difference between old and new C41 emulsions and the effect of the formalin on it.

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